Official 2022+ Samurai Blue thread

Discussion in 'Japan' started by Samurai Warrior, Jan 7, 2022.

  1. Drew1404

    Drew1404 Member

    Aug 25, 2014
    Possession isn't the solution but as you say it's the confidence and ability to play out of those situations to get yourself up the park, like what Cape Verde were doing against Argentina. As someone mentioned mental strength is really important, all Japan were doing at the end was just holding on hoping it would go to extra time
     
  2. BIHfan

    BIHfan Member+

    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    That's part of the bigger mentality problem I was talking about earlier, holding on hoping the game goes to extra time is not a strategy.
     
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  3. NaohiroTakahara

    NaohiroTakahara Member+

    Nov 12, 2013
    100 % agree and that's Moriaysus tactic fault. On other hand the JNT showed often a great mentality as example against Germany, Spain and Netherlands in the second half. But when Moriaysus decide to go in ultra low Bunker mode it doesn't suite the team. Especially when you only lead 1:0.

    He does it against Croatia, Iran, Sweden and Brazil and he failed every time.

    Moriaysu is good in active defending, he develop the team great there + when JNT is down and still has plenty time, he is also good to change the game. But he is very bad in defending leads, especially small margin leads.
     
  4. Gordon1995

    Gordon1995 Member+

    Oct 3, 2013
    Which is why was hoping for Go Kuroda to be the JNT coach, his team is very defensively disciplined as evidenced by Machida Zelvia's run to the ACL Final few months back.

    Toru Oniki seems to be a more balanced coach than Moriyasu too.

    Go Oiwa seems to be the next manager, thus hope all the best for him with JNT moving forward.
     
  5. lilcookie

    lilcookie Member

    May 6, 2005
    choc chip mountain
    I think Brazil fans owe Shiogai an apology lol
     
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  6. NaohiroTakahara

    NaohiroTakahara Member+

    Nov 12, 2013
    Don't know anything about anyone beside that I know them ^^.

    Can you say something about Go Oiwa ? Is he more open/rational for player selection and do you think his tactics are better in terms of no totally failures in tight games ?
     
  7. Gordon1995

    Gordon1995 Member+

    Oct 3, 2013
    Kashima Antlers in the Finals of ACL 2018 was extremely Disciplined, despite losing Naomichi Ueda to injuries they still managed to keep a clean sheet over the 2 legs.

    But he never managed to win the J-League as a manager before. However, his work with the U-23 is rated by many as quite good.
     
  8. NaohiroTakahara

    NaohiroTakahara Member+

    Nov 12, 2013
    Okay i understand. Sounds good but like Moriyasu with pros and cons. But how do you rate him personally, how is he about players selections and tactics. Do you think he is more open minded ?
     
  9. Gordon1995

    Gordon1995 Member+

    Oct 3, 2013
    Tactics wise, from what I seen of Japan at the AFC U23 tournaments he seemed to let the players express their individual quality alot

    but AFC level is not very telling as the gap between Japan and the other countries are wide. He is quite well-liked for his work with the U-23 team.

    My preference is actually Toru Oniki as he is 1 of Japan's most decorated coach ever, Go Kuroda's tactics is more suitable but he has harassment scandals in the past if not wrong.
     
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  10. HTCONEM8

    HTCONEM8 Member+

    AC Milan
    May 16, 2014
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Too many matches in this WC that remind me of that infamous Belgium WC 2018 match :(
     
  11. Essex

    Essex Member

    Jul 5, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Thanks, that's a decent list of examples. On the other hand, liking the country of Japan a lot, I am glad that Japan allows the majority of its citizens to live in relative prosperity and stability. If this means a lack of "battle-tested" forwards, so be it :D. Rather than personal adversities, strength and inspiration can be drawn from the spirit of Japanese resolve, discipline, and collectivism. But that's just some low-effort shower thoughts on my side.

    Egypt have been Belgiumed, a familiar tale
     
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  12. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I wonder how many players of this team will move to other clubs? I think and i believe it will be at least a handfull.
     
  13. Gordon1995

    Gordon1995 Member+

    Oct 3, 2013
    Even Switzerland moved onto the QFs, after stuck in the RO16 for so many years.

    Hope Japan can keep trying and next WC, then go past the RO16 finally.
     
  14. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Japan cant get stuck again. But once again its also about the draw .
     
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  15. BIHfan

    BIHfan Member+

    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    That's because African teams as a whole are incapable of holding on to a lead for more than 80-85 minutes.
     
  16. BIHfan

    BIHfan Member+

    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    It helps that they got a weak Algerian side in the round of 32 while Japan got Brazil. Then they got Colombia which Japan beat in 2018 in a group stage game. They can definitely eliminate Argentina and that will be way more impressive.
     
  17. Gordon1995

    Gordon1995 Member+

    Oct 3, 2013
    Hope Go Oiwa can fix that.
     
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  18. NaohiroTakahara

    NaohiroTakahara Member+

    Nov 12, 2013
    But Switzerland is a hell of a team, getting better and better every year. Wouldn't be a suprise if they get champions this year.

    Remember when they shot out France at the Euros some years ago. That was insane.
     
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  19. BIHfan

    BIHfan Member+

    Borussia Dortmund
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Oct 13, 2020
    Switzerland is probably the most underrated side ever, constantly a top 15 side in Europe and top 30 in the world.
     
  20. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Truth. But I dont think they will win something. They dont have the depth for that.
    Not to speak about the x factors.
     
  21. NaohiroTakahara

    NaohiroTakahara Member+

    Nov 12, 2013
    Maybe not but that doesn't mean they aren't a massive team. Quarter finals means you are top 8 in terms of momentum, that's a huge success. And everything is possible now.
     
  22. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Of course. Im suprised they are here though. And the honest, they got a great draw all the way.
     
  23. teioh

    teioh Member+

    Apr 17, 2012
    Oh please... Now it's the time to overstimate swiss.

    They had an easy group (probably the most easier) and then an even easier R32. The first tough match against a weak Colombia (they even missed WC2022 in a ridicolous CONMENBOL qualifiers) they draw and won by penalties.
    Japan did the same (losing at the lottery of penalties) in WC2010, WC2018 and WC2022 with harder groups and harder R16 opponents (even 2010 Paraguay was better than this Colombia).

    Swiss is absolutely not the model to imitate especially if you point to be a regular Top10 as JFA should point if that story about WC2050 is true.
     
  24. NaohiroTakahara

    NaohiroTakahara Member+

    Nov 12, 2013
    Swiss is a high quality team, no doubt about that. The last 8 years the improved a lot. Very similar to Japan. I would say Swiss is the exact model you should orient.

    By the way Moriaysu extended his contract for another 6 month and after the Asia Cup he will quit after sources.
     
  25. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Wonder why they extended with him? Like we said 100 times, he is a good coach overall.
    But we will see same old at the Asian cup also, I mean what new will he bring?
    I feel like Japan has to win it this time.
     

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