Official 2008 J2 Thread [R]

Re: Official 2008 J2 Thread

I used to have one... but its extremely difficult, if you don't live in the country.

 

Re: Official 2008 J2 Thread

I have a feeling that FC Gifu is changing/updating their logo. When you look at the following page, Roasso has the logo, but Gifu's logo is missing.

http://www.jsgoal.jp/special/2007move/j2.html

 

Re: Official 2008 J2 Thread

The club had to change the name to Roasso due to copyright issue.

Gifu's logo looks retro, not because of the design itself, but because of the coloring. If they adjust it to a modern color through a designing company, the issue will be fixed.

 

Re: Official 2008 J2 Thread

Naah, i wouldn't say that

 

Re: Official 2008 J2 Thread

you're right

 

Re: Official 2008 J2 Thread

2008 J. League Division 2 Analysis

Since many clubs were going up and down during last three seasons, I compared the J2 participants from the 2004 season.

Relegated from J1 (compared to 2004):
Sanfrecce Hiroshima (2007)
Cerezo Osaka (2006)

Stayed in J2 (compared to 2004):
Ventforet Kofu (J1 experience in 2006-2007)
Avispa Fukuoka (J1 experience in 2006)
Yokohama F.C. (J1 experience in 2007)
Vegalta Sendai
Shonan Belmarre
Sagan Tosu
Montedio Yamagata
Mito HollyHocks

New Comers (compared to 2004 season)
Tokushima Vortis
Thespa Kusatsu
Ehime F.C.
Roasso Kumamoto
F.C. Gifu


This will give you some idea that the gap between J1 and J2 are started to get wider. In the early J1 promotion history, clubs that started out with Division 2 back in 1999, had a easier time adjusting to the J1. Examples are FC Tokyo, Oita, Nigata, Kawasaki, and Omiya. Obviously, there are exception, but the point is in a span of 6 years (1999-2004), five "original" J2 clubs are well established in the top flight.

Now things are bit different. Clubs that promote to J1 with high hopes are send right back to J2 as they struggle to get out of the relegation zone, a trend since 2005 (Note: Kashiwa and Kobe's performance in 2007 is a different story since they already had experience in J1 for years. Same with Urawa back in 2000).

There are few reasons for this phenomenon:
1) Experienced J1 clubs are going back up to J1 easily and inexperienced J2 clubs are failing to survive the J1 relegation battles. This is due to the bottom-dwellers in J2 such as Mito and Tosu cannot keep up with experienced J1 sides, and vise versa for promoted J2 clubs.

2) Expansion of J2. New comers are still figuring out the J. League Division 2. Unlike other clubs which already had 8 years of professional expericence, namely J2, new comers still have not figured out the "professional" aspect of the game.

After 8 years of promotion and relegation, when we look at all 33 J clubs as a whole, true football pyramid is finally formed in Japanese football; the top 10 clubs playing in J1 year-in and year-out, the middle 15 clubs are fighting promotion and relegation in respective division, and the bottom 10 clubs are struggling to even join the promotion battle.

The quality of J2 will be expected to lowered for next couple of years; about 7 more new clubs will be added in a decade, but once the league stops the expansion and forms the third division, the level of J2 will to rise.

Anyway the based on the facts, the top contender for J2 are Hiroshima, Kofu, Sendai, and Osaka.

I will do a J1 analysis next week.

 

I have a strong feeling that Hiroshima is going back up.

 

Me too. i bet Sato will score 20 goals and more. I'm looking forward for Kubo's comeback and how Kashiwagi do this season.

Hiroshima should end in top 3

we will play them on 12th matchday
we have to so long

 

Nah, Hiroshima will miss out on top 3

None of the relegated teams will get back up i think . Cerezo and Vegalta for the top 2, with the 3rd placed team losing the playoff

Or atleast I hope Cerezo and Vegalta will end first

 

and who will be 3rd placed?

 

http://football.uk.reuters.com/world/news/T310416.php

 

What about Kofu ?

 

Go Mito!!! If there is ever a J3 will MIto been there? Is the Mito owner cheap?

 

Well, the 4 players were:

Shinya Kaneko - the most famous among them, and the only regular last season
Yugo Ichiyanagi - the former U-22 NT member that came from Verdy ahead of this season
Junya Hosokawa - squad player
Shingo Tomita - frequent starter

 

J2 - Who will go up?

My votes will go to Cerezo,Vegalta and Avispa.

Cerezo cause I think they look the strongest team in J2 now. They didn't lose any names, and although Furuhashi were headed to both Urawa and Albirex he finally decided to stay after a payrise ( that unfortunately led to Yoshida being offered a pay-cut, which made him leave for Fukuoka). The youngsters is a year older, and I expect magic from Kagawa this season. Morishima need to prove he's worth playing now, as he's been a talent too long. Kakitani, well, he should be receing more playing time this season, but there's a fierce rivalry for the 2 FW spots. Furuhashi is almost certain to be one of the starters, and that leaves Kakitani,Careca,Morishima and Komatsu all fighting for the same spot. Luckily for Kakitani (and Furuhashi) he can play as a winger too.

Careca is the biggest signing, and personally Im unsure about him. 2 goals in 14 games for Thespa isn't that good. But Culpi probably have controls over his brazilians.

Vegalta, well, they will play without gaijins this year, which most likely will weaken them. Bandai is lost too, but I want to see them in J1 along with Cerezo, so its more a cry of hope. I have a feeling they _might_ surprise though.

Avispa have signed Rudan and Talay, who both are too good for J2 on paper. But will they adapt to the japanese style quick enough? Ceccoli didn't.
And who's gonna score their goals now? Hayano?
But what kept them form finishing higher last season were poor defending, and Rudan and Talay will certaintly strenghthen that part ( Rudan is CB and Talay is DM i think).

Sanfrecce look too weakened, Kofu is a big question mark, and Yokohama FC is too old ( but perhaps that will work better in J2 than in J1). I think Shonan can upset many of the bigger teams though, and rate them as a dark horse for 3rd.
Back to top

 

too early to judge....

 

according this pic, Avispa will have no sponsor for next season



or will they?
Coca-Cola West-Japan is their main-sponsor and isn't Georgia a brand of Coca-Cola?, so why don't still use it?