Official 2005/06 1. FC Nürnberg thread [R]

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  1. OP_M

    OP_M New Member

    Dec 12, 2004
    Our captain Cantaluppi just told on a radio interview that the Matthäus deal is 99% done...no idea if he knows more or just is plain stupid... :confused:
     
  2. footyfan1

    footyfan1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 20, 2003
    San Antonio, Texas
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    You never know with FCN. Cantaluppi might be right. Roth would be desperate to sign Mattheaus because "Loddar" would put asses in the seats with his name.

    Part of Herzogenaurch would be at every match.........
     
  3. OP_M

    OP_M New Member

    Dec 12, 2004

    you can be sure that is one of the reason...watching the german sports tv for the last 2 days now (visited my family in hungary before, pretty ironic :D ), and they had more coverage about FCN in those 2 days than the whole season before.he still is a big name, no matter how good he is as a coach.
     
  4. footyfan1

    footyfan1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 20, 2003
    San Antonio, Texas
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    I don't know much about Zeman.

    Since FCN messed up and fired Wolf, who I think just needed time and some players to heal to get FCN back on track, I think for FCN, it's Mattheaus or failure.

    "Loddar" knows this and will take Roth for every Euro he can.

    Can you imagine where FCN would be now if Roth hadn't been so f#cking cheap and guaranteed Felix Magath's contract back when FCN had him and given Cacau the money he deserved when he asked for it???

    When I think of all the good things Roth has thrown away over the years......... :mad:
     
  5. footyfan1

    footyfan1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 20, 2003
    San Antonio, Texas
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    I found it amazing how the fans and management backed Augenthaler even when it was obvious Augenthaler ran the team into the ground.

    Why? Because Auge's name kept some coming to the Frankenstadion.

    Typical FCN. Keep the crap trainer for too long and fire the good trainer too soon.......
     
  6. aloisius

    aloisius Member

    Jul 5, 2003
    Croatia
    Matheus hasn’t been a bad coach as vfb was saying.

    He actually took partisan to the cl group stage after eliminating Newcastle, a pretty big achievement, I’d say.

    Hungary have at least been respectable in this qualifying, nobody has destroyed. They were simply in a very tough group.

    Plus he did very well with Borussia Banana.
     
  7. footyfan1

    footyfan1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 20, 2003
    San Antonio, Texas
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    "Borussia Banana"?? If you mean my team, BVB, Mattheaus has never had anything to do with us........


    Wow. Glad you could make that distinction easily.
     
  8. aloisius

    aloisius Member

    Jul 5, 2003
    Croatia

    No dude it has nothing to do with bvb.
     
  9. footyfan1

    footyfan1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 20, 2003
    San Antonio, Texas
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Cool! Who did you mean?
     
  10. aloisius

    aloisius Member

    Jul 5, 2003
    Croatia
    there was this show on german tv where matheus was given a bunch football anti-talents to train, it was called borussia banana
     
  11. footyfan1

    footyfan1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 20, 2003
    San Antonio, Texas
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Which just made firing Wolf the second dumbest move Roth has made as FCN president.

    My top three stupid f#cking moves by Michael A. Roth

    1) Not guaranteeing Felix Magath's contract after Magath took FCN from the bottom half of the 2. Liga table to the 1. Liga in half a season. It wasn't crazy money, it's just when Roth wouldn't get Felix the players he wanted for that season, Felix asked that his contract money be guaranteed in case FCN made him a scapegoat for a bad season. Roth refused, Magath quit.

    2) Firing Wolfgang Wolf: I don't know of ANY TRAINER who would have this current FCN team doing any better than Wolf had them doing. Especially after losing the previous season's leading goalscorer, suffering a few other injuries and having players brought in taking longer than expected to integrate themselves into the team. FCN's current problems are not the fault of Wolfgang Wolf. I think Roth fired Wolf simply because he thought he'd get Lothar Mattheaus. F#cking idiot!!!

    3) Refusing to give Cacau a professional contract: About three seasons ago, Cacau was the most talented player FCN had. The kid pumped in six BL goals in a short span and was showing he was going to be a special talent. However, he was under an amateur contract at FCN that paid him what I believe to have been not much more than 3,500 Euros a month. All the kid asked for was a fair professional contract, which that f#cking cheapskate Roth refused to give him. Cacau moved to Stuttgart with Magath after that and while he hasn't "destroyed" the league yet, he's starting to realize his potential. And FCN could have kept him on simply for the price of a fair professional contract.

    Roth might be the carpet selling king, but he doesn't know jack-s#it about football.........
     
  12. footyfan1

    footyfan1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 20, 2003
    San Antonio, Texas
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Ah! OK. But can you see how I got confused?? LOL!! ;)
     
  13. OP_M

    OP_M New Member

    Dec 12, 2004
    Okay, we offered Lothar a contract today.It's about details now (how long etc.), he wants to decide on saturday.
     
  14. Vfbstuttgartfan

    Aug 3, 2004
    Stuttgart
    Club:
    VfB Stuttgart

    Haha, i liked that show :D


    Too bad he was doing it while he was supposed to be on international duty with us.
     
  15. OP_M

    OP_M New Member

    Dec 12, 2004
    okay, no lothar for us, seems like "porno-peter" neururer is the favorite of our board now.
     
  16. footyfan1

    footyfan1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 20, 2003
    San Antonio, Texas
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    I just read that Neururer said no and that Nuernberg were "too bad" for him to help.

    That's OK. He might be right, but he's a f#cking s#it trainer anyhow.

    Neururer would find a way to f#ck up Real Madrid.

    As I've been saying since FCN fired Wolf, they screwed up by firing him too soon.

    Of course, I know there's no chance they could get Wolf to return, but as much as I hate the next guy I'm going to mention, I'm going to ask this question anyhow.

    Is there any way Augenthaler would return??? :eek:
     
  17. Vfbstuttgartfan

    Aug 3, 2004
    Stuttgart
    Club:
    VfB Stuttgart
    Neururer is a gamble, he can be good every now and then but he's often a screw up. Taking Bochum to the uefa cup and then sending them down the next season is an example of the rule.

    By the way, i'd say when we played Hoffenheim in the DFB Pokal, they looked 3 or 4 times more threatening than Nuernberg. FCN looked worse yesterday than at any time under Wolf.
     
  18. footyfan1

    footyfan1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 20, 2003
    San Antonio, Texas
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    And that's why I keep saying the f#cked up by letting Wolf go. :mad:
     
  19. wolfsburgh

    wolfsburgh Member

    Aug 6, 2001
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Roeber (who would have been a very good hire, in my view) is the latest to turn down Nuremberg. I appreciate Footy's unwavering denouncement of FCN management, but I'm curious: why doesn't anyone want this job?

    I remember this summer posting regarding season predictions. I remarked that I thought Nuremberg would struggle this season. My theory was that they barely avoided the drop last season with a career season from Mintal, and I didn't think Mintal would repeat that performance. But at the end, I concluded that Nuremberg, while not a good team, was not as bad as some other teams, and I thought a 13th place finish was about right (in what I thought would be a stratified BL--10 or 11 good teams, and the rest prime relegation candidates). In other words, I thought they would be among the better of the weak sisters in the BL. I was criticized by some who thought Nuremberg was a sure-fire bet to improve and, perhaps, even challenge for a UEFA Cup spot.

    I bring this up as background only. I haven't wavered from my view. I still think Nuremberg is a weak team, but I think in a league where there are 6 or 7 or even 8 weak teams (Mainz, Frankfurt, Bielefeld, Duisburg, Cologne, Kaiserslautern, Nuremberg; actually, I'm wondering now if Hannover needs to be dropped into this group, and if Gladbach can be promoted from this group), this team has a very strong argument for salvaging its season. It's only a few points out of the relegation spots. It has a decent bit of talent: Mintal, Vittek, Kiessling, Polak, Lense. Viewed in a relative vacuum, this would seem to be a good situation for a coach. But why can't Nuremberg make a deal with someone? Any thoughts would be welcome.
     
  20. footyfan1

    footyfan1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 20, 2003
    San Antonio, Texas
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The team is bad and no one wants to work for that clown Michael A. Roth. This carpet salesman who knows nothing about football runs off every good trainer he gets.

    Roth finally had a "Dream Team" (Well, a "Dream Team" by FCN standards :) ) in Geenen (General Manager) and Augenthaler (Trainer), but eventually ran them off too. This is a man who, with his cheapness, ran off Felix Magath after they pulled off one of the best half-season turnarounds in 2. Bundesliga history.

    And Magath didn't ask for more money. When Roth refused to buy Magath the players he wanted to try to stay in the 1. Liga, all Magath then asked for was that his contract be guaranteed. Roth refused that too. Magath knew he was being set up for failure and quit.

    On his way out the door, Felix Magath said, "1. FC Nuernberg is the most unprofessional club I've ever been associated with."

    And since then, Roth has done nothing but continue to prove Magath's words to be true.

    There! How's that for more unwavering denouncement?! LOL!! ;)




    I gave my thoughts on why no good coaches want to go to FCN above.

    Question dude. Why do you keep mentioning Mintal? He's been out most of the season with a knee injury. He only appeared in the first three matches. Scored one goal. Has been out since.

    From what I understand, and maybe OP_M can shed more light on this, is that Polak has been a DOG for FCN so far. Kind of like Rosicky for us in the past few years (Rosicky has been very good this year though!), great on the Czech National Team, not so good at club level.

    Kiessling is an "up and comer", he's not proven yet. Perhaps if Mintal were out there, he'd be more effective, but maybe we'll see that in the second half of the season.

    I think Polak is the key. If he doesn't get it going in midfield, FCN are doomed. If you go by the "Kicker" ratings, Polak did OK against Stuttgart this past week.

    Honestly, my biggest disappointment on the FCN team is Markus Daun. Daun was once touted as being on this way to be in the Germany picture.

    Since he's left Leverkusen the first time, he's done next to nothing to prove it. Another case of a player believing his press clippings and thinking he's great before he ever even got to "very good".

    Markus Schroth is also a big disappointment so far in my book. I expected a lot more from him.

    Anyhow, back to the original point. I think no good coach wants the FCN job because of Michael A. Roth and his history of being a meddling cheapskate.

    Perhaps Roth will bring back Friedel Rausch. Rausch will take the blame for a good paycheck.

    That's all he did before. :cool:
     
  21. wolfsburgh

    wolfsburgh Member

    Aug 6, 2001
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Tell us how you really feel about Herr Roth. You said Nuremberg is a bad team, and I agree, but, and it's a big but [insert Jennifer Lopez joke here], there are a lot of bad teams in the BL this season, and as I said, I think Nuremberg has the potential to be among the best of the bad.

    As for Mintal, I mention him because: (a) he was THE reason the team was not relegated last season; (b) he is injured, which may help explain the teams' dip in form; and (c) as far as I know, his injury is not season-ending, and he is expected back no later than after the Winterpause. In other words, Mintal has the chance to have a very positive impact on this team come January. I think a team which is not hopelessly out of it and has its leading scorer and most influential player coming back from injury imminently makes the FCN job moderately attractive. Polak is NOT the key. The key is Mintal. If he comes back even at 60% of what he was giving the team last season, FCN will get better in a hurry.

    In short, I don't see Nuremberg the Team being a lost cause which would scare away coaches. I see a team whose season is salvageable. Now, I could be wrong, but there's enough there to stay up in my view. If I am right, there was to be some reason why no one wants this job; perhaps it is, as you suggest, that FCN is a Mickey Mouse organization.
     
  22. footyfan1

    footyfan1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 20, 2003
    San Antonio, Texas
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Trust me, you don't want me to do that.......


    GOOD ONE!! LOL!!!



    I agree with that.



    I disagree. I still think Polak is the key. Mintal isn't going to come right off knee surgery and start scoring like he did last season. I think even asking for 60% of it might be out of the question.

    I also don't believe Mintal and Mintal alone kept FCN from being relegated last season. He had help to get into position to score all of those goals. Marek Mintal is no Marcelinhop. He can't do it all alone. He's going to need some good, hard work from midfield as he got last season from the likes of Tommy Svindal Larsen (Who Polak replaced).

    If Mintal doesn't get midfield service, he isn't going to do squat.

    I'm also nowhere near convinced that Mintal isn't a "one year wonder".

    I'm nowhere near convinced a return of Marek Mintal is going to be this team's "saving grace".

    Look at what Halil Altintop is doing for Kaiserslautern. I feel he's the next "one year wonder". Look at where FCK are.

    FCN was a ship in trouble before they fired Wolf. Now they are a rudderless ship in trouble.

    I really believe it's going to take not just Mintal's return to save this team, but Polak coming out of his shell and assisting Mintal in doing so.

    BTW, I haven't really been following Mintal's recovery, but one of my friends seems to be convinced that Mintal will be back before the winterbreak.


    The Nuernberg team also isn't good enough to convince any quality coaches that it's worth the stress to try to save them.

    Then you have the f#cking clown running the show.......
     
  23. The Old Lady Hertha

    The Old Lady Hertha New Member

    Dec 15, 2004
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    Hertha BSC Berlin
    Nat'l Team:
    China PR
    T.S. Larsen was a quality player. Iono why he was let go in the first place (unless he was sold, then I can understand maybe)...
     
  24. footyfan1

    footyfan1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 20, 2003
    San Antonio, Texas
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He wasn't sold. Left on a free transfer as far as I remember. I don't know why he wasn't retained.

    Although my best guess would be that Roth didn't offer him enough money to stay! LOL!! :)

    I know he went back to his boyhood club. Maybe he'd just had enough.
     

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