Off-Season Roster Moves: Trades, Free Agents, MLS Draft and Academy

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  1. iced1776

    iced1776 Member+

    Dec 4, 2009
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    #626 iced1776, Jan 16, 2014
    Interestingly enough he's supposedly very right footed and plays as an inverted winger who likes to cut in. You don't see too many of them in MLS.
     
  2. Woodrow

    Woodrow Member+

    Dec 7, 2001
    Brick City
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    New York Red Bulls
    #627 Woodrow, Jan 16, 2014
    This draft was about what I expected, depth at the wide positions and in defense. They might have gone for a CB instead of one of these guys, but maybe that deal is going to happen.

    Duval is more athletic and a better defender, so I would expect him to see time this season. Stevenson is probably more of a gamble, maybe he can improve defensively and maybe he's athletic enough at this level. Certainly a player like this can find a role, especially as a late game sub. Missing the combine might mean he's a bit better than his draft slot. We'll see.
     
  3. jeremydneezy

    jeremydneezy Member

    Dec 12, 2011
    Greenville, SC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #628 jeremydneezy, Jan 17, 2014
    I'm not sold on entering a season with Kimura and Duval as the right back options. Maybe Lade gets a crack over there, as well. I just hope we bring in one more guy, maybe a guy who can play centrally and out wide.
    I've only seen two of the guys drafted yesterday with my own eyes, Pedro Ribeiro of Coastal Carolina and Thomas McNamara of Clemson.
    I think Ribeiro will develop into a nice MLS midfielder. He is a towering presence physically. With that being said, screw him and all of Philly ;)
    McNamara is unathletic but skilled. Plus he has an absolutely incredible mullet. I don't expect much from him at the pro level but he is at a club where he could see some early playing time.
     
  4. iced1776

    iced1776 Member+

    Dec 4, 2009
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    #629 iced1776, Jan 17, 2014
    That's an oxymoron if I've ever heard one :D

    You're right about the right fullback situation though, that's pretty damn bleak if we're going into the season with just Kimura, Lade, and Duval to fight for the spot. I thought the reason we got rid of Barklage was because we only needed one depth guy, not because Kimura was being promoted to full-time starter...
     
  5. metz

    metz Member

    Jan 17, 2003
    #630 metz, Jan 17, 2014
    Since the day when RBNY rid of with Barklage I say that that was a stupid move and that count with only Kemura as a RB was a suicide, so far any of what they been doing confirm that, the rumors so far is that the RBNY are in talks with Lozano a spaniard second division player, but he is a CB and not a RB and we need a RB period....
     
  6. defendyourself

    defendyourself Member

    Jul 13, 2008
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    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #631 defendyourself, Jan 17, 2014
    I think the team is banking on Lade to win the starting job. Petke has made it clear that he likes pacey right backs that are more or less busy bodies and Duvall, Lade and Kimura fit that role, while Barklage does not. Now Roy Miller does not fit this, but Petke did not want to have to replace both wing backs in the same year and Miller is at least solid going forward. Preaseason starts in a week though so soon we will figure out who might surprise us.
     
  7. kokoplus10

    kokoplus10 Moderator
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    Feb 5, 2008
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    United States
    #632 kokoplus10, Jan 17, 2014
    I also thought we were getting a starting RB. Kimura, lade, and a college kid don't fit that mold. They are all depth guys.
     
  8. defendyourself

    defendyourself Member

    Jul 13, 2008
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    #633 defendyourself, Jan 17, 2014
    I thought we were too, but their moves have suggested otherwise so far. They could still be working on getting an additional right back and hopefully they are, but I think they will see if anyone of theses guys looks good in the first week of camp. If they dont look the part they will sign one, if they do, I think Petke will keep things as is.
     
  9. Woodrow

    Woodrow Member+

    Dec 7, 2001
    Brick City
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    New York Red Bulls
    #634 Woodrow, Jan 17, 2014
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  10. defendyourself

    defendyourself Member

    Jul 13, 2008
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
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    #635 defendyourself, Jan 17, 2014
    "Petke hinted at the possibility of the 5-foot-10, 150-pound defender earning the starting right back spot if he can outperform veteran Kosuke Kimura in preseason."
    That's from the article
     
  11. metz

    metz Member

    Jan 17, 2003
    #636 metz, Jan 18, 2014
    Don't forget so, that will be a bunch of invited players together with this two draft and we don't know who or how good they are or can be.....
     
  12. packy

    packy Member

    Mar 21, 1999
    #637 packy, Jan 18, 2014
  13. Woodrow

    Woodrow Member+

    Dec 7, 2001
    Brick City
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    #638 Woodrow, Jan 18, 2014
    But we do know that, with one or two exceptions, most of them will be unlikely to stick. FWIW, the Red Bulls have gotten away from having the mass tryouts. There are never more than just a few extra players invited to camp. Frankly, they are more likely to invite "a bunch" of Academy players, although it is likely to be only a couple. This year, with so few open slots, I'd expect between 2 and 4 free agent hopefuls trying out. If half of them are with the team on opening day, I'd be surprised.
     
  14. Woodrow

    Woodrow Member+

    Dec 7, 2001
    Brick City
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    #639 Woodrow, Jan 18, 2014
  15. iced1776

    iced1776 Member+

    Dec 4, 2009
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    #640 iced1776, Jan 18, 2014
    Definitely fits the type that Petke was looking for, and possibly the most promising trait I've seen written about him is that he's "coachable". Can't do much worse than Petke and Frasier to learn from as a young defender in MLS.
     
  16. Woodrow

    Woodrow Member+

    Dec 7, 2001
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    #641 Woodrow, Jan 18, 2014
    Care to rephrase?:)
     
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  17. metz

    metz Member

    Jan 17, 2003
    #642 metz, Jan 18, 2014
    The Draft and invited players are not obligatory to be signed right away, they will get tested on preseason training and if they fill some good qualities according the taste of Petke maybe they will be signed, so..no body knows what we will see coming out the gate when the season start...
     
  18. iced1776

    iced1776 Member+

    Dec 4, 2009
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    #643 iced1776, Jan 19, 2014
  19. GunningforMLS1993

    GunningforMLS1993 Member

    Aug 28, 2013
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    #644 GunningforMLS1993, Jan 19, 2014
    Nice signing.
     
  20. jtrex

    jtrex Member

    Jun 22, 2006
    Providence
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    New York Red Bulls
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    #645 jtrex, Jan 19, 2014
  21. kokoplus10

    kokoplus10 Moderator
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    Feb 5, 2008
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
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    United States
    #646 kokoplus10, Jan 20, 2014
    Updates in bold.

    Assuming our draftees sign with us and plugging in what Christianson got last year...

    68k Akpan
    80k Alexander (appeared in 75% of regular season games in 2013)
    35k Bover
    47k Bustamante
    369k Cahill
    35k Castano
    47k Christianson
    215k Convey
    47k Duvall
    369k Henry
    110k Kimura (appeared in 66% of regular season games in 2013)
    59k Lade
    88k Luyindula (appeared in 66% of regular season games in 2013)
    223k McCarty
    66k Meara
    66k Miazga
    124k Miller
    35k Moreno
    35k Obekop
    325k Olave
    88k Robles (appeared in 75% of regular season games in 2013)
    130k Sam
    159k Sekagya
    122k Steele (appeared in 75% of regular season games in 2013)
    47k Stevenson
    93k BWP

    26 players currently on the roster.

    Roster spots 21-30 don't count against the cap.

    The current top 20 earners on our team come in at $2,848,000 (based on LAST YEAR'S SALARIES and salary increases due via the collective bargaining agreement).

    Now there are still a LOT of variables that we don't know the specifics of. For instance weren't Sekagya's and BWP's salaries for a HALF season? Shouldn't their numbers be doubled? That would mean Sekagya is at 318k. NO WAY. He must have REALLY renegotiated down otherwise they would have let him go and Hulk would have stayed. Some players renegotiated at a lower salary, some got raises, etc. so lets call it all a wash and just go with the numbers above.

    $3,100,000 (2014 salary cap) - $2,848,000 (2014 salaries) + $100,000 (Champions League allocation) =

    $352,000

    That's enough to get either:
    • 1 star player (VERY close to a DP)
    • OR 2 VERY good MLS players
    • OR 3 VERY good backups (or possibly 3 MLS quality starters if you pick the right guys).
    With 4 roster spots left IMO we need a starting RB, a CB for depth, a striker, and an attacking midfielder. We won't be able to address all those needs with only $352k, so perhaps we sign another academy kid or 2.

    Me personally? I'd sign a real good RB, a CB depth guy, 2 academy kids, save the remaining cash and then re-evaluate what we need at the All Star break.
     
  22. kokoplus10

    kokoplus10 Moderator
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    Feb 5, 2008
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    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #647 kokoplus10, Jan 20, 2014
    Looks like this Lozano deal is gonna happen...which addresses our CB depth need.
    http://nypost.com/2014/01/19/red-bulls-set-to-ink-armando-lozano/

    "After the Red Bulls bypassed several highly rated centerbacks in Thursday’s MLS Superdraft in Philadelphia to select right back Chris Duvall with the 22nd pick and left-sided player Eric Stevenson at No. 34, coach Mike Petke admitted it was a sign that they were close to acquiring Lozano.
    “I think you could easily read into that and justified to do so,’’ Petke said."

    Transfer market has him at 200,000 Euro (~$275k U.S.)
    http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/armando-lozano/profil/spieler_29068.html

    I find it hard to believe we'd give him anywhere close to what Holgersson was gonna make this year ($250k). IMO worst case scenario we're paying him $200k.
     
  23. iced1776

    iced1776 Member+

    Dec 4, 2009
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    New York Red Bulls
    #648 iced1776, Jan 20, 2014
    If we got rid of Holgersson to save only $50k on Lozano, it will have been an incredibly disappointing move.
     
  24. iced1776

    iced1776 Member+

    Dec 4, 2009
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    #649 iced1776, Jan 20, 2014
    The salaries listed by the player's union are not what is counted against the cap. When you look at the list released in 2012 it has Cahill with his full $3.5M although he would have only cost half that against the cap for the year.

    We have literally zero way of knowing what counts against the cap and what doesn't, its a futile effort. When Heath Pearce tweets that despite his $330k salary he only cost us a near-minimum cap hit, that's when I throw in the towel trying to make sense of it.
     
  25. fknbuflobo

    fknbuflobo Member+

    Arsenal FC
    United States
    Nov 16, 2011
    Akron, Ohio
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #650 fknbuflobo, Jan 20, 2014
    Regarding a favorite player of mine, I posted this in https://www.bigsoccer.com/community/threads/akron-zips-2014.1998716/page-2 . I have watched this kid from high school. Columbus Crew will likely regret not offering ES an HG contract.

    Forgive me the pretention of quoting myself::D

    He will be a serviceable pro because he works hard and he wants it badly.
    Eric has learned his limitations and rarely attempts something he cannot accomplish. He is clever enough to set up his opponents for surprises.
    The one thing I have always liked about Eric is that he will shoot, even from distance, with either foot, given the slightest opportunity. And he has quite a heavy foot for little guy.

    I am not claiming he will be full-time first 11, but he will become a valuable asset to RB.
     
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