Occupied Palestine = Apartheid?

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So you're saying that it's not true??

 

Smells like Apartheid to me.

 

You gotta remember the English hate Jews. Always have. They certainly didn't fight Germany because of what Hitler was doing to the Jews. In fact, they probably wished they had the idea first. Go take your propaganda elsewhere.

 

So are you saying that it's not true??

Pretty simple question, guys...yes or no is all that is required.

 

The comeback of someone who has nothing to refute the original post. Sorry. We see right though it.

 

"We"?

You have lice or something?























(....NEVER gets old.)

 

Jesus H. - getting dissed by Linus.

I just don't know whether to laugh or...well...laugh hysterically.

Sure guys, (and why is it that the bigots always have the most sockpuppets?) like I've got nothing better to do with the next 36 hours of my life than explain Middle East history to anti Semites.

 

So...is that a yes or a no??

 

While I can't claim to be the most informed on the matter, what little I've read (independant from major media here in the US) has left me totally confused by the simple existance of the state of Israel.

The way it appears to this non-Jew/non-Arab is something like this:

A certain group of people, with a strong identity of themselves, are occupants of a land. They usually rule it, but throughout history this area of land, for various reasons, is controlled by many other peoples at various times, some being more 'friendly' than others. Over time, many of this group leave the land for other, more prosperous (or safe) lands, but take with them their 'identity', and associate with each other quite a bit. This tradition of association leads others to mistrust them simply on slightly different beliefs (partly religious, partly the continuous association of the group amongst themselves).

Come early/mid 1900's, in one of these lands, recently ravaged by war and reparrations, the poor 'natives' are given this group as a 'scapegoat', to give the natives a focal point. While not all buy into it, enough do that many, MANY of this group are captured, tortured and put to death, simply based on heritage. This land also attacks and occupies other lands, and continues the capturing, torturing and murdering of said group.

After this horrible incident in history, the 'world' (western Europe, for the most part) decide to 'give back' the traditional homeland to this group, as, at the time, this homeland and surrounding areas are largely controlled by one of the western European powers. Oh, there happen to be other people there, already. The new government of this region, backed by the UN and soon also the US, goes about relocating the current residents and welcoming back the 'original' inhabitants.

This new 'state' is beset on all sides by attacks, from those that they relocated, as well as those in the region that disagree with the group's beliefs. In the process of defending itself, this group defies at least a few UN resolutions, and is not called to task on these actions, due in large part to past atrocities commited against the group. These actions further enrage the former 'natives', as well as the rest of the region, until we come to today.

Now I know that's not the full story, but it is a more accurate description of the situation than most Americans (if not members of the world at large) are aware of. Please correct my basic understanding if wrong, though opinions aren't really corrections.

Now, given the above, I simply can't believe the current situation is allowed to continue. I have nothing against Jewish or Arabic peoples based on race (though I do have problems with Judaism, Islam and Christianity, and people who use relgion as justification for violence), but I find it surprising that the world has not only created this situation, but has continued to allow it to exist. No good can come from it, period. Two groups, both claiming ownership of an area of land, and both with at least a semi-legitimate claim, but the 'world' backing one is just a recipie for disaster, especially when fundamentalist religion is added to the equation.

Is there a solution? Not a good one, especially if you want it to be 'fair' to all sides. My solution? The UN should at least attempt to enforce it's resolutions on the matter, and the US should comply, or the world should acknowledge that the UN is a completely worthless body that just sucks money from the world. George W already called them out for failing to enforce the Iraq resolutions, but I don't see how that does good if all other resolutions aren't enforced.

Do I think anything will change? Nope. At least not until one side gives up, or one side wipes the other out. Not very good options, at this point.

All right, that's it. Please correct my ignorant thoughts, if it's necessary.

 

Absolutely.

 

No, that's a pronoun.

 

Just for a goof, and to muddy the waters a bit for the "progressives" rallying around the Palestinian cause....

http://www.yaleherald.com/article.php?Article=933

 

Ain't too many people to my left, and I'm a pro-Israel hard-liner. There's much more affinity between militant Islam and the far right, as far as how their beliefs match up.

It's another example of the universal truth "Pat Buchanan is wrong about literally everything."

 

Agreed. I, along with countless other Republicans, have pushed for the GOP to add the call for the establishment of a worldwide Muslim caliphate to their official platform...Sigh.

 

Post in haste, entropy, and repent at leisure:

Christian Right, Islamic Bloc Team Up To Lobby UN

EDIT - screw it, I won't try to make the link more elegantly readable. What the hell happened to HTML in this chicken outfit?

EDIT AGAIN - How come Ian McCracken was the only one who apparently knew how to do the revised HTML on this? Or did everyone know how except me?

It's still a good point, however badly I butchered it.

Bring back Post of the Week! I think this one is a winner!

Yeah, same to you.

 

Dan,

You're the one posting in haste. I really dislike people who skip over the issues and jump right into rhetoric-based on "I like/hate Reps/Dems/(or any other group) therefore everything they do is right/wrong". You (and several others) fall into that category here.

I'm only posting this to counter your previous post.

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According to this link. All five of the suspects in the (alleged) "Buffalo terrorist cell" are registered with the same political party as Dan Loney.

Link and except below.

Buffalo News: terrorist suspects details

All five are native-born U.S. citizens. Four are married, ... Several are avid soccer players. All five are registered Democrats.

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Dan, and others skipping who skip over thepremiereleague's original point,

Are the conditions in the occupied territories like aparteid or not? Do you support this? Ignoring the issue does not make it go away.



P.S. Should we Big Soccer posters be worried that several were avid soccer players? Imagine Jim Rome's next anti-soccer rant if he found this one out.

 

All of this crap over stupid "holy land." Problem is, the land is holy to two sets of religions. I'm sick of people getting killed over it, I'm sick of people being persecuted over it and I'm sick of hearing about it too. Either pull out completely and let them have at it with no support to either side, or do what my mom did when my brother and I were little and fought over a toy. If they can't share it take it away. Settle the two sides away from each other and wall off the disputed land. If people want to visit, they can set up a schedule and go through UN checkpoints to get to the holy crap.

JMac

 

Don't know about the marry part, but have heard that when they close down the border they are preventing people with jobs from getting to work and supporting their families. (Many lost their jobs for this reason alone years ago.) They control the utilities to the Palestinian cities, and shut them off at will and impose curfews that make it impossible to do basic things like shop. (Sounds like aparteid to me.)

Israel at some point is going to have to abandon the settlements on the West Bank and then negotiate a treaty that leads to an independent Palestinian state.

 

First off, Dan is without question a terrorist. I think even he would acknowledge this.

Secondly, I don't think the point of the posters who "ignored" premiereleague's post is to make the problem go away. This debate has been had time and again here.

Anyone who includes "It's not far off what hitler did to the jews" in their post is less likely to be taken seriously.

 

Yes, I agree with you that statements from (tpl) like above go too far. The description in the first part of his post is accurate, isn't it? Should that be supported?

 

I guess Post WW II Germany and Japan are now examples of "colonialist American Apartheid."

Partition and Occupation are the bastard twin children of war. History does not treat the losers well.

Having said that, I do support a Palestinian state, and think Sharon is a particularly brutal PM.

But it aint apartheid, and not even close to what Hitler did.

Just curious, if Mexico had maintained a state of hostility with the U.S. over the past century or so, how do you think Mexican Americans would be treated in this country?

 

Anyone who thinks that Palestinians are treated with any form of respect in Israel is fooling themselves, they are treated as second rate citizens, and are humiliated. If you deny that, well then...