Obligatory "Why the US Sucks at Soccer" Thread

Dominating possession and dominating the game are not the same thing. You go tell Reyna, Donovan, and Pablo that they were dominated in that game....

 

Gimme a break, if McBride doesn't put away that first half goal against the run of play the result might have been very different. Mexico had about 2/3's of the possesion and had they not been behind, might've been able to score.

We know how to play Mexico, but just remember that game could've ended differently.

 

Possession is overrated, especially when you rarely threaten. The winner isn't determined by possession or corners won or some other crap.

That game could have ended differently? Pretty much every game at the WC could have ended differently. Okay, maybe not Germany/Saudi Arabia, but what if the US took one of their chances against Germany and won on golden goal or penalties? Not implausible

 

I've finally figured it out, we suck because of radical feminism.

 

The Scottish suck at soccer.

 

that has always been my second choice, but you're about 5 months late on that joke.

But since you pointed it out: from what I know about you from these boards, you are more obsessed with soccer than I am, and that is a scary, scary thing. From that, I know that you have been "running around" telling anyone who will listen this story.

You had the conversation. I wasn't there. From a third person's perspective (and not just mine, I facetiously add), it sounds like a good ol' fashioned buttering.

p.s. Doyou have a sense of humor at all? Or are you just 100% serious soccer all the time?

 

that poll was a knee jerk reaction to the two excuses I hate, you just happened to spout one of them (for why we suck, however, hmmmm--Luck is why we suck)...and suck is a strong word for a 1/4 finalist, no matter how you slice it.

 

I was just trying to keep in the spirit of the thread, man. Instead of suck, how about "we'd be much better if..."

 

If you compare it to English footy...maybe (although I remember a certain team beating a side in Wembley 1-nil for Euro 2000 playoff)...

...compare it to US nat and MLS...about equal...

(actually...its better...in a financial and salary and level of football exposure and etc....hmmmm...what else...hmmm)

 

The Scots suck worse than the US national team. The SPL maybe better than MLS, but the national team sucks.

 

Here's why we suck:

Because this is a macho country.

This is a country that has produced the finest fighting soldiers that the world has EVER known. This is a country that has WON 2 World Wars and bailed out and beaten the better soccer nations of the world.

This is a country which has dominated boxing since its inception and has the most liberal stance on violence in films in the world.

So it's not that this is a country that wont accept the "nuances" of soccer. That is a BS crap argument.

I have two words for why soccer will NEVER be a major player in the US sports scene:

Patrick Viera

We want heroes in this society, and we want Greek God heroes not heroes that weigh 80 pounds.

How could we possibly embrace Landon Donovan et. al as a mythological creature when most of us have better bodies that he does? and are bigger and stronger than he is? I am taller than every single person on the U.S national team - yet I am shorter than almost every member of the Denver Broncos.

Football players are our ideal (and by our I mean the majority of Americans) of what heroism is.

We dont want skinny, flitty, girlie heroes.

The MLS has been a mild success in the US. Without Phil Anshutz and Lamar Hunt though, it would have failed a long time ago.

Eventually the US will dominate at Soccer as we do every other sport that we participate in, sheerly because of numbers. We are bigger as a country than Western Europe. The sheer numbers state that we will be able to pull a talent pool even if Soccer is getting our 5th best athletes instead of the first.

I don't believe that it's a financial matter (IE people play football and basketball because there is more money in it) I think it's a machismo issue.

I mean look at Brazil. They kiss each other when they greet each other on the street.

Most of us would punch someone in the face if they tried to kiss us.

It's just a cultural thing. We need to be manly. and we are.

 

that's one way of looking at it, I guess.

 

So Vern moved to Colorado......

 

i don't get it, englands' good at soccer, and they care about it, and they have rugby, who are more manly then our over padded steroid using heroes. and i like american football, but they are pretty wimpy, they get hurt and hobble of the field all the time. just my thought. watch some aussie rules football too, thats pretty tough stuff.

 

Trust me, there are VERY few Rugby players that could last one game of Football. The reasont that they wear pads is because people that weigh 275 pounds can run the 40 in under 5 seconds. If you have an understand of physics you know that two objects moving that fast colliding absolutely decimate each other. That is why they are injured so much. Funny that Soccer players are injured just as much, and they are playing a non-contact sport.

Listen, I love soccer but it IS the beautiful game. It's a game in which a team of women could beat a team of men, and with regularity.

 

No, they couldn't. Men are faster, bigger, stronger, etc... We can kick the ball harder, run past the defense, shoulder bump a woman and she would fall on the ground.

Of course I'm talking about WUSA vs MLS, US women vs US Men, Good college mens team vs good college womens team.

Now a mens high school team may be beaten by a WUSA team, but as far as professionals or college go, the men would win every time.

Not bashing women here at all, it is just how we were made.

 

I watch both womens and mens soccer and had to laugh at this one.

 

differently? you're right, we could've won 4-1, 5-2....

best post yet.

in the words of smythe...if my mom had two wheels, she'd be a bicycle.

if el crapador wasn't put in, if mcbride didn't score, if donovan didn't score, if the hand ball was called, blah blah blah

man, pop the tape in the vcr. we won. no ifs, ands or buts.

we've beaten mexico 5 out of the past 6 games....and yes, each of those games could've ended differently, if.....


yes, our team sucks. and i went to korea to see them suck. it was the suckiest trip of my life.

 

Anyone remember the Kevin Klein character in a Fish Called Wanda?

John Kleese: What about losing to tiny little Vietnam?

Kevin Klein: We didn't lose! That was a tie!

 

This is such a lame and tired argument that really makes Americans look bad.

News flash: We didn't do it alone. We didn't bail anyone out. We came in to HELP the people already fighting the battle which was turning before we came in thanks to the MILLIONS of Soviets who died and the tens of thousands of British, French, Czech, Polish, Jewish who DIED BEFORE we got there.

I am proud as hell of the men who gave their lives to fight against an evil dictator, yet ashamed of those who feel as though they can use these lives to put themselves in some sort of superior world simply because they were born in a certain place.

 

first of all, i have played both football and rugby, and thats bull, rugby hurts a helluva lot more than football does, and there is way more endurance and strength involved. And this comment about a women's team beating a mens team? Our U18 mens team played the womens full national team, right after they won the world cup and beat them 5-0, they lost to 18 year olds, and you think they could be pro's proffesionally?? I laugh at you.

 

sorry i lied, it was the U17 team, my bad.


http://www.ussoccer.com/teams/stats_results.sps?iType=270&icustompageid=522


scroll down to March 5. just cause i know someone will ask for it.

 

There are some experienced posters here seriously responding to HalfManAllPatBuchanans' obvious wind-up?

Please tell me you were just bored.

Jokes ,sarcasm,and flames for Vern (or his brother,whoever this is) only,please.

Cheers!

 

So why is it we make heroes out of actors and musicians also?? Some 98 lb guy with long hair and leather pants has been the hero to millions of macho rock 'n' roll guys for decades. Even guys from Detroit.

Secondly, the guys do not kiss each other in Brazil. (The girls do though!) And while we're on the subject, the men of the USA have NOTHING on latin american men when it comes to machismo. Not a damn thing. We're a bunch of sensitive wussies in comparison. In many ways it makes us much more civilized, modern, and just - but your argument about machismo is a little ridiculous.

Wait, is it just that Americans need to be manly durnig the 3 hours a week their wives allow them to watch football on the couch before they have to go shopping for curtains?? Then yes, I can accept we're very manly during those 3 hours.

The examples that contradict your logic are far too many. Not only the make-up wearing skinny rocksters, but even athletes. Like that short, fat guy named 'Babe' that somehow, someway, was a hero to tens of millions of people. And why players such as Joe Montana and 'Sweetness' Payton are considered the best there ever was - despite the fact they weren't always the biggest and strongest. Their grace on and off the field is what has made them legends. Machismo...give me a break.

Why don't you run into some neighborhood pub in Liverpool while England is playing, watch a derby in Milan or Rome with the Italians, or go see a Flamengo x Fluminense game in the Maracana in Brazil, and you tell me how much more manly we Americans are than those men that so passionately support their sport.

Give me a break. You are so full of it. And honestly I find it a bit insulting to think that as Americans we couldn't appreciate athleticism if it wasn't being performed by some brute. The transition of baseball into a sport of over-sized shoulders and thighs has only continued the process of the sport losing it's popularity.

And despite it all, your point is just plain wrong. Soccer will be huge in this country one day. And TV will try to ruin it. I'd just be happy if it stayed right where it was, providing a I can find it on TV a little more often, and we can get a few more big names playing in our domestic league.