Obama Failure Thread Part V

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  1. HerthaBerwyn

    HerthaBerwyn Member+

    May 24, 2003
    Chicago
    Because those are the options.
     
  2. phats_away

    phats_away Member

    Jul 28, 2001
    Atlanta, Ga
    i hope you're right
     
  3. minerva

    minerva Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
    Denver, CO
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    if they "stand up" to Obama, it will virtually assure a continuation of just these things. and their constituents won't be happy. the TEA party is over,
     
  4. chaski

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    GiuseppeSignori repped this.
  5. minerva

    minerva Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
    Denver, CO
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    you're assuming the American people want to see the president fail.
    I think that would be a miscalculation.
     
  6. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    Another Obama failure. States legalize marijuana and Obama administration does nothing. That is a failure of the administration. They didn't fight the states voting on legalizing marijuana. President Obama doesn't come out against it.
     
  7. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    Mitt Romney received almost half of the vote. They realize that rewarding President Obama after all of his failures from his first term President Obama is a divider- not a Uniter.

    If the people who voted for Mitt Romney wanted Barack not to fail like he did in his first term. Wouldn't they have voted for the failed President Obama?
     
  8. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
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    Why would they? The House is basically run by the Tea Party and they are basically a bunch of Schapes. They campaigned on the fact that they were obstructions and they got re-elected. They are going to see that as further evidence that they have a "mandate" to continue their obstructionist ways. I really don't see how they are going to become more moderate...
     
  9. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    Another Obama failure - how many Occupy Wall Street candidates were elected?
     
  10. tomwilhelm

    tomwilhelm Member+

    Dec 14, 2005
    Boston, MA, USA
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    At which point, we go over the "fiscal cliff", realize it's more of a speed bump, watch the economy continue to improve, and have nothing but tea leaves circling the drain in 2014...

    This is the GOP's last chance to play nice before the electorate hands everything over to the Dems for a short spell while they extract their head from their collective ass.
     
  11. minerva

    minerva Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
    Denver, CO
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    I think there's more to be gained by getting things done rather than by opposing the president. as long as the president's agenda is fairly moderate at least. the question is, do they keep arguing over what the toppings should be, and end up never ordering a pizza, or do you agree on a limited set of toppings that everyone likes, and order your pizza and start munching down.
     
  12. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    President Obama will also fail to moderate. He will not move from the center to the left. Unfortunately, that will mean his Presidency will be judged as a failure by history.
     
  13. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    Again, the President will never be moderate. He wasn't moderate in his first term, which was a failure for him. So, he will continue to fail by not moving to the center - as he did in his first term - far too liberal - won't change. That is where he failed in his first term.
     
  14. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
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    WTF.. Obama is a freaking moderate. The problem is that the people that he has to negotiate with are not at all interested in compromise.
     
  15. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    CBO had a report that if the defense cuts aren't restored to the budget, Bush tax cuts restored for everyone, payroll tax extended.

    Unemployment goes to 9.1 percent and GDP slows to 1.7 instead of 2.2. Not a speed bump - failure for President Obama.
     
  16. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

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    Seattle
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    I don't disagree with either of your comments. There is definitely more to gain by compromising and working with the Democrats, but you're thinking sane. I haven't seen anything out of the Tea Party that would indicate that they are sane. Seriously, you see Schapes. He's what passes for normal in the Tea Party.
     
  17. minerva

    minerva Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
    Denver, CO
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    Obama is already a moderate. if anything, he realized that the GOP was dead set against compromise, as their strategy was to try to make him fail (especially with the economy and unemployment) and thereby win the election. so he didn't count on their support.
     
  18. tomwilhelm

    tomwilhelm Member+

    Dec 14, 2005
    Boston, MA, USA
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    Exactly. Obama is a pragmatic center-right President.

    Which is why the GOP Socialist talking point was just so darn effective in this election... ;)
     
  19. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    The President is not a moderate. His failure is he is a leftist, socialist. That is a failure on his part.

    President Obama failed to compromise on Obamacare. Not one Republican vote. A failure.
     
  20. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
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    Wrong. Failure for the Republicans. The Dems can't be the only ones that have to compromise. The Republicans need to move across their line in the sand and meet the Dems somewhere in the middle. The Dems have shown over and over again that they are willing to compromise with the Republicans, but whenever the Republicans see the Democrats move towards them, the Republicans take a step back and draw a new line. You can't negotiate with that.
     
  21. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    President Obama is a failed left wing Socialist. A failure to realize that half the people in this country don't support him. A failure for Obama.
     
  22. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

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    Seattle
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    If Obama's a socialist, then the Republicans are the Taliban.
     
  23. tomwilhelm

    tomwilhelm Member+

    Dec 14, 2005
    Boston, MA, USA
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    Fulham FC
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    United States
    I'm not thinking sane (with respect to the House). I agree with you. They'll double down on the lunacy, even if they somehow manage to eek out one begrudged deal on the fiscal cliff issue.

    I just think that strategy is doomed to failure in the economy we're likely to have in the next 4 years. If they couldn't kill him with obstructionism when the chips were down and their tactics could actually hurt the economy, there's no chance they'll be able to kill him now.
     
  24. tomwilhelm

    tomwilhelm Member+

    Dec 14, 2005
    Boston, MA, USA
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    Ideologically speaking, that's exactly what they are. The Tea Party at least.

    Reactionaries are always easy to spot, regardless of their religious or political affiliation.
     
  25. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    The problem is history writes books about Presidents. No one cares about a particular House of Representatives.

    As the Republicans were committed to his failure in his first term. Which worked because the President failed. My guess is that they are as committed to his failure in the second. President Obama doesn't want them to write his legacy as a failure. Which it will be. His failed policies will increase debt to 22 trillion dollars after the next four years. So history writes the epilogue as a failure.
     

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