NYT with more MLS salary info

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by BuffloSoldier, Jul 11, 2005.

  1. DoctorD

    DoctorD Member+

    Sep 29, 2002
    MidAtlantic
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For RSL's sake I hope that's a performance-based bonus for Mathis.
     
  2. REMOVED

    REMOVED New Member

    Jul 22, 2004
    I would like to know who decided to give Sanneh and Armas those contracts. And whatever happened to him?
     
  3. chad

    chad Member+

    Jun 24, 1999
    chicago
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow. Instead of being a Euro-retirement league, we are a USA retirement league! Ugh.
     
  4. joehooligan0303

    joehooligan0303 Member+

    Dec 16, 2001
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I hope they were fired long ago.
     
  5. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    Chicago
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Chris Armas is a leader on the Fire and has definetly earned his pay. He may be nearing the end of his career, but he's worked his ass of for every dime he gets according to that list. Tony Sanneh on the other hand...
     
  6. harttbeat

    harttbeat Member

    Dec 29, 1998
    New York
    that's a pretty good contract for young eddie gaven but i wonder what Szetela gets pay.
     
  7. owendylan

    owendylan Member

    May 30, 2001
    Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    That's a big drop between Agoos and Gaven. I would think that Metro fans are pissed a plauer like Gal Van Rey gets such a high salary considering his low production. Is MLS going to be like the NFL where a few players get the bulk of the salary cap space and everyone else battles for the crumbs?
     
  8. StillKickin

    StillKickin Member+

    Dec 17, 2002
    Texas
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good point on Armas. People tend to downplay past performance and look strictly at the "what have you done for me lately." You gotta factor in the overall career and get some rewards.
     
  9. PJohnson

    PJohnson Member+

    DC United
    Dec 16, 2004
    South Dakota
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The salary structure in MLS has been that way since day one. There is nothing new here. It's just that the actual numbers have never been published before. If they are "actual numbers". :cool:
     
  10. Pmoliu

    Pmoliu New Member

    Jun 7, 1999
    Princeton, NJ
    I can't think the league is pleased that this information is out there. I wonder if Jack has gotten any nice phone calls from the Commissioner on this....

    Paul
     
  11. Andy_B

    Andy_B Member+

    Feb 2, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think its a big deal for the league since they already went through this last year with a significant amount more information being released about salaries.

    Every single salary was public information last year from Soccer America. This year it seems to be just drips and drabs so far.

    Andy
     
  12. chad

    chad Member+

    Jun 24, 1999
    chicago
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We can imagine that Armas signed his contract some time ago -- before the injuries really piled up and his performance declined. That's not a problem. When MLS signs Americans at their peak and when they are playing well, the salaries should be good. Contracts are always a gamble. Who knew his decline would be so fast.

    The problem is more players like Sanneh, who was clearly damaged goods upon his return from Germany.
     
  13. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    Obviously, though, there must be a document out there that lists them all. I would imagine eventually that document gets turned over to the press.
     
  14. UVA-United

    UVA-United New Member

    Apr 10, 2005
    I don't see this as too big of a problem. Let's say some mid-range millionaire/billionaire is deciding between his pro-sports investments but he's always been an avid soccer fan. He reads these numbers and goes hmmm, there are some teams for sale and expansion on the horizon...I could do this and I could make it work. Let me bring in some more energetic people and perhaps a corporate sponsor or few and hell, with those numbers we could even start to hit a higher pay scale and bring in some of the talent from Europe and cultivate it here which could move MLS closer to becoming a true top flight league...

    Just a random musing...

    I think the published numbers though could help some investors come in prove to some kids (read Sanneh's article on developing African American interest in soccer) that there is money to be made in soccer and that you can live WELL on those numbers compared to many other occupations. And I'd wager that if I'm a kid and know I want to play sports at a pro level and I'm great at soccer and something else...there are more roster spots for a great soccer talent than for an average or better NBA, NFL, MLB, etc talent.
     
  15. Rocket

    Rocket Member

    Aug 29, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No. Clint is earning $410,000/yr just to show up to work.

    The "salary plus bonus" numbers include things like signing bonuses but do not include performance-based bonuses.
     
  16. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Its not that because RSL is paying Mathis 410,000 to play is the problem.
    The prob is that it leaves only 1.5 million for everyone else.
    Hence Saturday, July 9, 2005.
     
  17. fidlerre

    fidlerre Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 10, 2000
    Central Ohio
    Last year the PA released all that information to help in their cause for a new collective bargining agreement -- I have no clue who's leaking this latest info.
     
  18. Rocket

    Rocket Member

    Aug 29, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I disagree. Armas is getting overpaid (in MLS terms) based on his position and marketability.

    MLS has a bunch of goalkeepers who're first rate and long-time contributors, but the most any of them earn is Kevin Hartman ($180,000 in 2004).

    The only players MLS should pay max salary to are players in "skill" positions -- forwards, attacking midfielders, and wing midfielders -- who help raise the entertainment quotient and sell tickets.

    The league should pay defenders, defensive midfielders, and GK's at most $200,000/yr, and tell them to look overseas if they want to make better money.
     
  19. texgator

    texgator New Member

    Oct 28, 2003
    Plano
    Actually, only the league "max" salary is counted towards the cap. It doesn't really matter how much more a player is paid over $280K (I think that's the number), the team just absorbs that cost. What does matter is how many max salaries a team is carrying and if they are getting anything from those players. See Galvan Rey and Sanneh for examples of wasted max salaries.
     
  20. gaucho

    gaucho Member

    Dec 17, 2001
    NYC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I see this list as pure supply and demand. The players on the list, at one time or another, were good enough to draw serious interest from European clubs that had more money to throw around than your typical MLS club. If MLS wanted to play ball with these guys they had to make a serious offer similar to what they might get in Europe.

    On the other hand, if you're a 25-year-old occasional starter for MLS team ______, no deep-pocketed Euro team is going to care about you, you're lucky to be playing professional soccer, and MLS can low-ball you.

    It seems to me that one of the real issues that MLS will face in the years ahead, if it continues to grow at a modest pace, is to what degree the league minimum will rise. Seems like a great issue for an MLS union to bring up.
     
  21. gaucho

    gaucho Member

    Dec 17, 2001
    NYC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The salary that absolutely blew me away:

    Carlos Ruiz: $40K
     
  22. texgator

    texgator New Member

    Oct 28, 2003
    Plano
    His club back in Guatemala is still paying him some too....this is only MLS portion.
     
  23. aosthed

    aosthed Member

    Jul 16, 2004
    40º30' N 111º52' W
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    I had the same thought... for Landon wanting to come back to MLS, they probably could have negotiated harder.
     
  24. Stan Collins

    Stan Collins Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Silver Spring, MD
    That comment was probably directed at Mathis, Sanneh, Armas. Landon Donovan is 23.
     

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