NY Times: "Toxic Culture" in US Soccer

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  1. bustos21

    bustos21 Member

    Aug 13, 2004
    NJ
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    So
    Help me understand better. Don Garber voted for Kathy on the third ballet of the election? Carlos won the 3rd ballot with like 70% of the voters. Kathy wasn't far behind Carlos on the second ballet.
     
  2. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They switched on the third ballet when it was clear who would win. Even with MLS support Carter only got 33% on the second ballet.

    Garber actively campaigned for Carter and hosted a campaign dinner for her. He did not do either for Cordeiro.
     
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  3. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    Still waiting @don Lamb for the evidence that ussf knows what it’s doing as compared to the list provided.
     
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  4. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

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    May 4, 2017
    You can't believe that. Certainly didn't work that way in theory. Who voted for Carter on the first ballot then?

    MLS itself had 15% (take your word for it). But they essentially controlled USL since much of that league is reserve MLS teams and survive because of it. They also controlled the NWSL vote, since much of that league is owned by MLS owners. In essense, Garber controlled the whole Professional Block, except NASL, which had (thanks to Dan Flynn) only like 1.5% of the vote or something very small.

    Since the Youth and Adult votes are just tons of individuals, they don't act as blocks and divide amongst everyone (they basically did just that giving 8-15% to each of the major candidates and then also voting for minor candidates). That leaves the Athlete's Block which went for Cordeiro. Many wanted to vote for Martino, but a few holdouts (MLS players and executives on the committee) prevented that. So, Garber couldn't control the AB, but he was able to sway them or get them to agree to everyone's #2 choice.

    The AB and MLS controlled votes combine for more than 50%. Much of the AB is employed by MLS or SUM.

    In the end, the AB would have switched to Martino on the fourth vote possibly, this forced Garber to basically vote for the other (probably even more) status quo candidate to insure a reformer didn't win.

    But if your post is to suggest MLS has very little influence, that is laughable.
     
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  5. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

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    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's all well documented.

    The Pro Council (MLS, USL, NASL, NWSL), Adult Council and Youth Council each had 24.8% of the vote and the Athlete Council had 20%.

    The Athlete Council held conference calls with Cordeiro, Carter, Winograd and Martino voted for Cordeiro en bloc.

    MLS switched from Carter to Cordeiro in the second round.

    The Athlete Council consisted of Chris Ahrens (chair); Angela Hucles (vice-chair); Carlos Bocanegra (vice-chair); Shannon Boxx, Brian Ching, Cindy Parlow Cone (advisor); Brad Guzan, Stuart Holden, Lauren Holiday, Lori Lindsey, Will John, Kate Markgraf, John O’Brien, Heather O’Reilly, Leslie Osborne, Nick Perera, Christie Rampone, Gavin Sibayan, Lindsay Tarpley and Aly Wagner.
     
  6. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Jay Berhalter is leaving ...

    The fed's annual meeting is next week.
     
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  7. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

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    NYC
    #307 DHC1, Feb 6, 2020
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    Impressive institutional response - they canvassed their employee base and actually listened. When JBerhalter was no longer a candidate for promotion, he probably felt he had to leave.
     
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  8. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
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    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Where's the news on Jay leaving? ?
     
  9. USOutlaw16

    USOutlaw16 Member+

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    United States
    Jan 22, 2011
    On the Gringo Wall of Shame
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
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  10. Eighteen Alpha

    Eighteen Alpha Member+

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    Had to happen but I admit I am surprised it actually did. I feel it more like now that McBride gets a creer hand.
     
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  11. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Career? Freer? Or is creer a military term?
     
  12. Eighteen Alpha

    Eighteen Alpha Member+

    Aug 17, 2016
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    You never heard of steers and creers?
     
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  13. nobody

    nobody Member+

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  14. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT

    Could he possibly step down as CCO to take over as CEO?

    ;);)
     
  15. manfromgallifrey91

    Swansea City
    United States
    Jul 24, 2015
    Wyoming, USA
    Club:
    Southampton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Multiple sources now tell SI that Jay Berhalter is not a candidate for the CEO position. One U.S. Soccer source said he did not receive positive reviews from U.S. Soccer employees in a recent anonymous survey conducted by the federation, but added that due to the length of the search process and difficulty in finding someone for the CEO job, "“you can’t ever write Jay off completely until they announce the position.”" Thats from a Grant Wahl article.

    The fact that he was in consideration, if any of the stuff is true goes to show you what kind of mess it was. Now Im not in there, so you cant always believe everything, but it does sound to be an awful atmosphere.

    Then combine that with forcing people to move into that atmosphere to get a job is a bad idea.

    So that probably means some of it was true, and good on them for making a positive change. But it will only be positive IF they replace him with someone qualified, and give them the tools and access needed to actually make a difference in the money side of things. Marketing, selling media rights, researching, ticket prices, etc all need an overhaul and hopefully they hire the right people.
     
  16. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

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    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Berhalter is leaving USSF.
     
  17. manfromgallifrey91

    Swansea City
    United States
    Jul 24, 2015
    Wyoming, USA
    Club:
    Southampton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was typing as the impression he had left, but the reason he left was due to them basically saying you cant be CEO. Apologies if I wasnt clear on that one.
     
  18. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT
    So he left because he wanted to. Had he wanted to stay, they would let him?

    I wouldn't call this "house cleaning".
     
  19. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    It is for senior managers - they allow them to resign but they’d be relegated to an interior office pretty soon if they overstay their window.
     
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  20. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    do you now think that the NYT article is corroborated?
     
  21. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
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    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
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  22. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

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    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Didn't see this in this thread, but former NBA vice president and current Ernst & Young partner Juan Oro has been nominated as an independent director to be confirmed at this weekend's Annual General Meeting.

    I'm hopeful that this means we will see someone with significant NBA experience assume the CEO position with US Soccer. On any number of fronts, having the experiences of those aligned with the NBA is probably the best path forward for US Soccer. My personal choice for CEO would be current deputy commissioner Mark Tatum, but I think a strong candidate with ties to the NBA and/or USA Basketball will be able to apply those experiences to what US Soccer needs to do.
     
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  23. NietzscheIsDead

    NietzscheIsDead Member+

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    May 31, 2019
    NO WAR
  24. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    again, given that the USSF effectively canvassed their employee base and determined that what Glassdoor said was good enough to preclude Jay from becoming CEO, do you now find the NYT article corroborated?
     
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  25. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

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    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Try reading them. They're pretty consistent.

    "Talented people are getting crushed by this organization left and right, mainly because of being overworked, underpaid, and treated incredibly poorly by the upper management. This results in a lot of current employees doing one or two other jobs in addition to their own, with no pay increase, no overtime, no time off, no title change, and no recognition."

    "Leadership takes advantage of people's love for the game. Instead of valuing their extremely hard working, dedicated and passionate employees, they have created an environment that screams "you are lucky to work here, and you are replaceable" so we can over work you, pay you nothing, and if you complain, you're just not "cut out to work in sports."

    "Strict 8-5 office schedule but then you're frowned upon for leaving at 5pm. If you aren't working from home on nights and weekends or staying late, you won't fulfill your work and they'll make sure you hear it."

    "No upward mobility unless you are a favorite of the two executives that control everything. Terrible pay, long hours, culture is one of fear and silence, no flexibility on hours or working from home. The idea that 'working for the crest' should be good enough is abused. Cannot be overstated how immense the turnover is and the number of talented people that have left because of the culture at the Federation, and it all stems from the current leadership (namely Berhalter and Flynn)."
     

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