NY Red Bulls @ Harrisburg Tue. June 5, 2012 at 7:30PM USOC Game[R]

I believe this game will be played on a grass pitch, iirc.

Meara
Barklage Hulk Conde Pearce
Solli Dax Lade
Cooper Arteaga Henry

It makes sense to come out and attack. That lineup could score 3+ goals even without the Internationals.

 

No way, with that line-up you will force McCarty to play attacker and all will come down like a castle of cards, because you can't on that line-up ise McCarty where more impact he do, Destroyer...So,
Backe will line-up the following players:

Meara​

Barklage....Holgersson....Conde....Pearce​

McCarty​

Nobody Solli....Bull Shity....Lade​

Cooper....Henry​

 

Last time we played Harrisburg at Harrisburg a couple of years ago, they let the grass on their field grow long in the hopes of affecting our possession style game and we lost. Granted, we didn't go out with nearly the same roster we are doing this time, but expect more of that same type of shenanigans.

 

No one is gonna play a system that this team isn't comfortable with in a must win game. No real reason to make major changes after a 3-0 win. I would like to see Henry play because I do agree we will need to come out and attack and try to break through their bunker which is what they will do in all likelihood. I would like to see Henry over Arteaga (shocking right) and in the best case scenario we can sub Henry off with a lead but I don't know if Backe wants to risk it.

I think it's safe to say that we aren't gonna see anything different that what we saw vs. Charleston and if it ain't broke don't fix it.

Hope we avenge the 2010 loss vs Harrisburg.

 

And I hope we do it like we did against Charleston, clean sheet, multiple goals, no holds barred.

 

It is the correct thing to do, Use Henry....On the contrary, Backe will get forced to use a none experience player or competent enough to reinforce the Midfielder, and that will be the end of the competence for us.... Let see, if there aren't Henry who will play instead of him: Palson a weak player that hasn't show anything all the season or Maduro who?...Another alternative that Backe could have is, play Keel who is coming from the injury list and has not play a game for more than two months at CB, Holgersson at RB, Barklage at RW and Bullshitter with Cooper at front, like that:

Meara
Holgersson....Keel....Conde....Perace
McCarty
Barklage....Solli....Lade
Bullshitter....Cooper​

A prescription for a disaster, because we will experiment a new defense line and a new midfielder line and the only we can get for that will be a lost and the end of a USA CUP and CONCACAF competence DREAM.......

 

What's funny metz, is that last year you would have been screaming your head off that guys like "Maduro who?" weren't getting playing time even in the Open Cup. Now all of the sudden we need experience in the midfield?

Against a weaker side I don't mind Ballouchy as the second forward, worked well enough in the first half against Philly especially now that we don't have Marquez to mess up our defensive shape on the other side of the field.

 

I agree, Ballshitty should be good enough against weaker competition as a second forward. He does make nice passes at times making up for his lack of competeting for balls.

 

I can't even begin to analyze this so I won't try. Where did you pull this lineup from?

I think that we are not gonna see any major changes at all to the lineup. I think it's safe to assume that.

 

Before you criticize read the whole thing, OK....

 

You

You just criticize just to do it, not a pinch of sense or sanity...

Exactly, that is why I fight for playing time for this kids, because some day will come the time that you will need some body, but when you in all this 13 games of the season have you see Maduro play, except for the 3 minutes last game, none at all, ....so, how you will play him in a so import ante game to defend our color when he don't know what shirt color to defend when he never has used one, and beside that, you don't know what he is capable of do, that's why I say WHO?...because I don't know who the f.... he is as a player.... I say Solli "no body", because play him at front is like play no body and Bullshitter because that is only that with his goose trot is what he knows to do, bull shit....well I don't know Maduro and that's why I say WHO?.... And I don't know him because Backe with his idiotic way of think and coach, never has give him a chance.....

 

It's just impossible to follow your logic. So many contradictions in your argument. You fight for playing time for the "kids." Ok good for you. You want all 28 players or so on the roster to get meaningful playing time in various competitions because with someday we may need to rely on them. That's what you say. But no team in any league, or in any sport in that matter can give all of it's players minutes because spots are limited especially if you want to go out and win the damn competition.

I'm pretty sure you are happy with the result this team had against Charleston and I'm pretty sure we would've ended up on the losing side if we started Maduro and all the other players from the back end of the roster just like a lot of other MLS teams did.

And in case you haven't noticed we have had to rely on our depth a lot this year and they have found guys like Tyler Ruthven who stepped in and did a great job. But reserves are reserves for a reason.

You want to say that a lot of young players haven't had a chance to develop and that's fair. A lot of guys have come and gone recently but some have also made the most of their opportunities like Ream and Lade. Some turned out to be nothing like Garcia and Chinn because look where they are now. Some may need a lot more time to develop but at some point you have to say it's not happening for them like a guy like Hertzog. I agree about seeing more loans and such but to say these guys deserve more playing time in meaningful competitions is just not realistic and you want to win by putting out your best lineup on the field.

Overall though you have no point. I don't know what your argument is. You want to win the US Open Cup you are not gonna start Ryan Maduro. You are gonna play a similar lineup to the one used against Charleston or we will end up embarrassing ourselves like we have in years past and like Portland and New England and others have this year.

 

You are confusing one thing with another, we are talking here of start a player than never ever has been prove in this kinds of game before, a thing that I never ask for this kids, what I have been claiming is, to give them a chance to play as a sub, in consistent time, 25/45 minutes every couple of games in different environmentally conditions and against different teams, to find out what they have in they tank, you don't know what Maduro is capable or if he can play at this level or 45/60/90 minutes if you never try him before....

The principle is, that you can't start a player that you never have sub for no body before, you have to start to give them some consistent minutes of play as subs, say three or four games 25/45 minutes each game then you know where and when you can start this player if so, I never plead the cause of the kids the way you say, what I has been argument is to give a chance to prove what they have, when Backe give them a chance and they don't do nothing of this like Palson or Arteaga I don't care if they waived them immediately or later, but give them the chance to prove, not to start any kind of game special a important like this one....

I never say that just because if we start Maduro we will be in the looser side, see the line-up that I say Backe will be forced to do, I say, that because Backe have to shuffle all the positions and play players that never have been playing together is a prescription for a disaster....And for that yes, I believe we can lose the game....

 

One thing that I keep seeing from multiple posters is putting Holgersson at right back. I'm not really sure why anyone would want to see that, especially with the emergence of Barklage. I know that Holgersson played the position for Helsingsborg, but his lack of speed will get seriously exposed on the flanks. As I recall, a couple of Swedish posters posted here suggesting that he was a better fit as a center back and really only played out wide due to circumstance in the Allsvenskan.

 

If everyone is healthy, Backe is going to start the same lineup, with the possible addition of Henry. He's not going to play scrubs, not when we don't have a game until the 17th.

 

This been a discusion of about 12 or more posts in the thread, and all start with some body pots this line-up:

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Meara​

Barklage Hulk Conde Pearce​

Solli Dax Lade​

Cooper Arteaga Henry​

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Well the discusion start because some people don't want Henry on the game and I say that in those instances Backe will be forced to play a different lin-up and differents players in diferents positions because if Henry is out, the only players reminding are Keel, Palsson, Arteaga and Maduro and I say that Backe will start Palsson, Arteaga or Maduro.... I put a line-up as a example what Backe will be forced to do:

Meara​

Holgersson....Keel....Conde....Perace​

McCarty​

Barklage....Solli....Lade​

Bullshitter....Cooper​

Because I don't think Backe will bring as a starters Palsson, Arteaga or Maduro, instead will play Keel, but Keel hasn't played for more than two months, so I say that this will be a disaster only because they wont Henry to play.... Because if Henry play, will be easy to line-up a good winning team, like this:

Meara​

Barklage....Holgersson....Conde....Perace​

McCarty​

Solli....Ballouchy....Lade​

Cooper...Henry​

 

Yeah no reason to play him there and I don' think we will ever see him there.

 

Well, not from multiple posters. Just metz posting over and over...

I think we'll see this if Henry is out:
Meara
Barklage, Holgersson, Conde, Pearce
Solli, McCarthy, Palsson, Lade
Cooper, Ballouchy

This if Henry is in:
Meara
Barklage, Holgersson, Conde, Pearce
Solli, McCarthy, Ballouchy, Lade
Cooper, Henry

 

Palsson is with the Iceland U-21 team.

 

That is what will happen if Henry don't play....

 

My understanding is that Palsson is with the Icelandic U-23's Expect a simular line up against Charleston.

Meara
Barklage--Holgersson--Conde--Pearce
Solli--McCarty--Ballouchy--Lade
If Henry plays he will be with Cooper, if not expect Arteaga.

But if Henry does play, I'm guessing not for the full 90. That's when you put in Arteaga for the second half. Saving him for Chicago and after the International break.

Just for the record. Medhi Ballouchy has been playing very well. He has scored and set up chances for goals. Solli so far has looked good coming back from an injury. So for those of you (And you know who I'm talking about) will stop acting like nit wits and just act like you're happy with the positive results this side has been on. 8 Wins, 2 Draws and a loss, 9 wins if you want to count Charleston.

Stop bitching about this and enjoy this season right now. They are taking Harrisburg seriously and they are going to make a real attempt to win this tournament.

 

Same lineup as the one used in Charleston. No one has returned from international duty, and I don't think Henry plays at all. There will be 50+ supporters from the 3 groups that will make the trek out to Harrisburg.

 

The same thing was you telling me last year when every body was thinking that the Baby Bulls were a team of "Super Men" and we wasn't in need of the first team players, And you see what happen at the end, I will not stop criticizing this management if they don't take seriously this tournament and for taking seriously I mean, line all the best players available now and Henry is, and isn't a reason why not, the team have a couple of week off on MLS games, so, what is the problem....