NWSL player moves - Continuing

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  1. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
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    So any insights on what this might mean in terms of, say, annual pay for Bethune. Let's say she is signing a contract with KC through the 2027 season, for which KC paid Washington $1 million. That would seem to mean they value her at $500,000 per year, so would that be reasonable pay to her? Or if it's through 2028, $333,333 per year? Or if through 2029, $250,000 per year?

    In other words, in real life player pay negotiations, is there a link between the transfer fee a club pays for a player and the amount the club pays the player as salary? Would another factor be the number of years the player had left on her contract with the transferring club? Does anyone know how this works?
     
  2. Number007

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    Aug 29, 2018
    ChatGPT is your friend.
     
  3. Number007

    Number007 Member+

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    Aug 29, 2018
    No shock here. Once Washington decided to go all in on Rodman, I could not see Bethune staying. On a soccer level, I do not understand the decision from The Spirit POV.
     
  4. GoodHands

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    ChatCGT along with almost all antisocial media is the enemy of rational thought and clear thinking.
     
  5. Jeremy Goodwin

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    Montreal Impact
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    Not necessarily. The player generally doesn't get any taste of the transfer fee (although they might in rare cases), so the size of the transfer fee doesn't affect their willingness to accept the transfer. In rare cases like Mbappe you'll see a player wait out their contract and take a signing bonus as a free agent, but I think it's more frequent that players wait out their contract because they want to go to a specific place and have a disagreement with their current club (also both true for Mbappe) than to seal the bag.

    The ability of a player to just wait out the contract does generally decrease the transfer fee when you get into that final year, especially if it's a club held option year and the player had made it public that they didn't want to stay.

    A lot of factors are going to impact player movement that aren't directly salary related but impact what you're willing to take. Being in one market over another may give them different marketing opportunities or tax situations, and the cost of living isn't the same everywhere, nor the quality of life.

    Teams in the top leagues in Europe are usually trying to balance their books for financial fair play standards of one kind or another. They are recognizing those fees as expenses over the term of the contract and they want to avoid taking a loss. The ideal situation is to sell for more than you paid, but you want to avoid selling for less than the amortized value of that contact at all costs if you can. Certain types of players also tend to be overvalued in Europe, young academy players are often sold as part of larger deals with potentially questionable valuations.
     
  6. Number007

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    Could not disagree more. It is a tool. The user can decide how they want to use it.
     
  7. Number007

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    Aug 29, 2018
    Reading this, you are comparing apples and oranges. NWSL contracts and transfers are not the same as MLS, WPSL, PL or other European leagues, male or female. Using Mbappe as an example is not applicable here.
     
  8. Jeremy Goodwin

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    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #558 Jeremy Goodwin, Feb 13, 2026
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    NWSL is a single entity and therefore it isn't apples to apples with other league, but it remains to be seen whether it's really all that different right now under the more recent rules.

    Ultimately the existence of an international market for players puts pressure on the league to pay players, agents, and other teams amounts that are comparable to what they would get internationally. So I would say that for players who are high profile enough to gather international attention, the NWSL works differently but does the same thing at similar prices. That probably doesn't hold for bench players.

    If players still had to accept trades, it would actually be different, but since they can refuse them, it's the same thing with different paperwork.
     
  9. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

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    Real Madrid
    it’s now reported that San Diego is the front runner In acquiring Macario, but other rumors still persist.

    officially she’s supposed to be on the Chelsea injury list with ‘heel pain’ problems, but over at the big NWSL/reddit forum, the fans keep claiming that the club’s intentionally holding her back from playing do that’s she wants to leave

    @blissett there’s news that Girelli wants to come over to the NWSL. Could be the reason why she didn’t get any playing time in the last CL game? lol
     
  10. blissett

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    Aug 20, 2011
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    Looks like that trip to the USA at the end of the last year was the ban of the Italian league! :x3:
     
  11. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

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    not sure if I understand your post, I would think it’s more like Girelli trying to get an piece of the pie; the all mighty American Dollar—as you might by now know, we do something better than anybody else in the world in woso; spend MONEY
     
  12. blissett

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    I was meaning that I suspect that many Italian players could have been contacted by NWSL clubs when Italy NT went in the USA to play the friendly double-header vs USWNT.

    (Or could it have happened way earlier, in August 2024, when Juventus went playing the Women's Cup in the USA? :coffee:).

    Anyway, specifically about Girelli, I suspect at her age is more about the last chance to play abroad than about the money. But I won't go too much off-topic on that subject here.
     
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  13. Allende72

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    Washington Spirit
    United States
    Nov 17, 2008
    Wilmington, NC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Has Juve been expecting her to leave? this is a strange time to depart when her club could be advancing in WUCL and in need of her? . . .against Lyon!

    Are they saying that she'll be on-loan in the US or back at Juventus?

    It's cool though if she's coming here.
     
  14. blissett

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    At the moment the exact formula of the possible loan is not clear: it should be a loan for a limited number of months, that could anyway be extended until the end of NWSL's season.

    I agree that the timing doesn't look great, but this is mostly due to the Italian League and NWSL being out of sync (the former is basically a winter league, spanning over two solar years, while the latter is a summer league played within a single solar year). At almost 36 (her birthday is in April) Girelli probably feels like this could be one of her last chances to try NWSL and of course she'd want to play a full season, not just a part of it.

    Missing the last part of the UEFA Women's Champions' League could be a major letdown for Juventus' fans and even for herself, but she likely wants no compromise for this new experience (and maybe she feels like her team wouldn't advance much more in the UEFA WCL anyway).
     
  15. soccernutter

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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
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    bane?
     
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  16. soccernutter

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    And it is finally official

    [​IMG]
     
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  17. blissett

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    Yes. :x3:
     
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  18. soccernutter

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    Makes more sense now.
     
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  19. JG

    JG Member+

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    Aubrey Kingsbury --> pregnant

    Congratulations but a big blow for the Spirit and interesting to see who takes over as captain.
     
  20. soccernutter

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    Santos, maybe. She's kind of a team leader for Colombia.
     
  21. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
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    Club America & Mexico International, Kiana Palacios, moving to the Utah Royals
     
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  22. soccernutter

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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
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    Christina Girelli (Juventus) ------------------> Bay FC (Loan)
     
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  23. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
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    The first name is actually Cristiana, but I appreciate the part of the post that confirms the trade. :coffee:
     
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  24. soccernutter

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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
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    Yikes! I was typing of an image, and still got it wrong. :oops:

    Thanks for the correction.
     
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  25. soccernutter

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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
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    Gabi Portilho (Gotham FC) -----------------------> San Diego Wave ($175,000 in allocation funds - technically a trade)
     
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