I don't find any reason to care at all about the nationality of players I am watching, other than its relevance to potential national team selections. I care a lot about the national team, but most players are never going to touch the national team, so clubs need to do whatever they need to do to put on a good product. Chelsea is heavily imported, with five or six English players playing a big role. The salary cap is a league policy that has caused some domestic players to leave. That's all. You started your criticism of San Diego by calling them out as being a team with a lot of imports against Washington, but Washington won that match with a higher percentage of internationals (8/13 participating compared to 9/16 for SD), with the winning brace coming from a player with 3 caps for a low-ranked national team. Why not give her job to a domestic player? They don't care, they won and their fans loved it.
I do. I'd like the league to provide a career path for as many domestic players as possible. The domestic league should provide paths for domestic players. It's silly for domestic players to be aced out of a job by mediocre imported players. And, again, you never know who's going to bloom when given a chance. What's your point. It's my impression that players that have left, haven't left for more money. By and large they are leaving for the "European experience." Lynn Biyendolo was on her podcast the other day talking about departures from NWSL, and she didn't mention "more money." ooh, you got me. I only counted starters, and I mis-counted at that. If the Spirit is only playing 5 US-eligibles, I'm losing interest in them, too. And, I don't care about the San Diego fans. I am just speaking for me. I'm not interested in a league/team with well under 1/2 the players on the field being domestic. I'll watch Euro teams with multiple US-eligibles.
You're asking teams to do something that is not rational for their interests. The fans of the clubs are the lifeblood of the league, and the clubs that succeed are the ones that can give their fans the kinds of experiences that the Spirit did yesterday. Fans will be talking about Rosamonde Kouassi's stoppage time winner for years. I'll have the memory of Bay FC's match. No wins since June, but 100% US passports on the pitch!
The US has by far the largest player pool in woso, but there’s a lot of factors to consider; There’s still plenty of talented Americans who prefer going to college before joining the pro ranks. In this country, woso still considered an middle to upper class sport(if you ever saw them ECLN fees) Foreigners are more brought up through pro club academies & maybe coming more from lower or working class communities—-so college kinda not necessarily an big deal for them & thus more available to pro clubs We got an habit of hiring way more foreign coaches in hopes they can teach us the better virtues of the game. But these coaches are under pressure to win also, so it’s easier for them to just hire foreign players that already well versed in all those supposedly superior tikki tacca, liberio, total-futbol , Cantenerio tactics and remember American majority owned Chelsea & Lyon keep buying what were some of our best NWSL players(so we’re kinda doing the damage to ourselves) and the current pregnancy ‘epidemic’ really more because there’s an three year gap for us between the Olympics & the World Cup—-which is usually when the big—7 figure—endorsement deals are given to players.
Not intending to be argumentative, so sorry if this comes across like that... Three thoughts on what you said: 1 - NWSL is, from top to bottom, the best league in the world for women. Perhaps there are other teams that might be better than the best, but as a league as a whole, NWSL is the best. And that shows in coaches, players, attendance, and pay. Yes, players might want to move to Europe for the experience, but players also want to play against the best. And I look at teams like Lyon or Barca who have great teams, but only one or two domestic competitors. NWSL is top to bottom competitive (apart from the domination of KC this season). Footballing wise, NWSL is the best, and players are likely to want to play here. (Though I'm sure the current political environment might make some reconsider at the moment.) 2 - The best will rise to the top. Heard the post-game interview with Moultrie post Bay FC match, and she mentioned how she had been working on her FKs after practice. That is something top players will do, regardless of nationality. Yes, opportunity is important, but there is a very healthy youth system in place in the US and we turn out more players than anybody else. 3 - I'm not sure currently using youth/non-senior team call up right now is the best metric. Hayes has said that before her arrival, they were under utilized, which to me suggests that finding those good youth players was not effective, so newer players might not have that many youth team call-up/appearances. Can you source this? We've been talking about this for several weeks (mostly from the A Thompson transfer), and nothing I have seen has stated this. Plus, what Rallee said. I've also seen a comment somewhere (forget where) that even Barca players are paid less than NWSL players. I'm assuming an average there. You want to watch a European team that has only 3 US eligibles, but won't watch a domestic team that has 5 domestic eligibles? Make that make sense to me. That is really poor phrasing. And I've seen it suggested that the number of current pregnancies might also be due to the change in league policy. Also, I'm wondering if Hayes' focus on treating females as females is having a knock-on effect on decisions.
There are a multitude of factors that go in to every player's decision, but I think it would be overly idealistic to believe that money is not a factor in a top professional athlete's contract decisions, and the salary cap places a limit on what NWSL teams can offer. I'm not trying to make a grand argument about the salary cap; I was just trying to list policy reasons that can influence certain players to leave.
I've said what I have to say on the topic. No need to repeat myself. Except ... gotta address this thing about Emma coming in and saying "we need to broaden the pool!" This was no genius strategic insight, though people act like it was. Emma came in roughly at the same time as the new CBA. The new CBA was a sea change in the structure of the WNT player pool. The old contract created guaranteed spots for a narrow segment of the player pool. The pool was selected on a yearly basis, contracts awarded, and that was it. On Sam Mewis' podcast, HAO said that the manager was only allowed to call in 26 different players in a given contract year. The CBA was structured to create continuity, so that a soccer career was viable for 26 players. That's it. It wasn't structured to find the best players* and certainly not to foster competition for spots. *Indeed, it stifled competition for spots. Under the new CBA the manager can call in whomever she wants. Of course Emma is going to wildly expand the pool. It has been artificially extremely constricted. Her coming in and say "I looked around, and the player pool was so narrow, I wanted to expand that" without mentioning that no prior manager had an opportunity to expand it is disingenuous.
Kayla Fisher makes sofascore Totw. I've said before, she's a damn good player. I just hope she can keep her head together. Speaking of the red mist, to me, Hal Herschfeldt is close to warranting looks. She covers massive amounts of ground, defends it well and is a deft passer. I wouldn't call her up until she does 2 things: 1) stops being a yellow card machine; 2) stops skyying shots when she is undefended. Late arriving mf's at the top of the box have to be able to keep that shot down. Imo, for players that consistently sky it, that it is less damaging to their reputation to sky it than have the keeper save it. They don't really want that shot. Hal's got to get over that. She's got to want to score there. Other than those 2 things, she looks like a damn good CM. Sears - she got an assist! I'd said that with all the opportunities she gets down the wing, I wouldn't call her in until she got an assist. She got one! ------------------------------------------Fischer --x---------------------------------------x---------------------------Sears --------------Moultrie--------------------------Jacobs Izzy-----------------Berkeley----------Ball--------------------x ---------------------------------Dickey US-eligible NWSL stat leaders Goals: 10 - Sears (2nd yr) 8 - Tiernan (R), 6 - Alyssa, Adames (2nd yr, 19 y.o.), Hatch, Moultrie, Hatch, Cooper (2nd year) 5 - Hocking, Turner (2nd year), 4 - , Ascanio (17, 2nd yr), Tordin (R), LaBonta, Moultrie, Shaw, Ryan, Rodman, Flint, Dahlien (R), Shaw (20) Assists League leader 5 5 - Schupansky (R), Rodriquez, Mace, Gisele (2nd yr) 4 - Staab, Schlegel, Malanson, Coffey, 3 Kennedy Fuller (2nd yr), Gareis, G. Thompson, Coffey, Cooper, Malonson, Conti, Graham (rookie), Demelo, Peterson, Dahlien Goal contributions: 11 Sears 9 Tiernan, Cooper 8 Alyssa, 7 Moultrie, Dahlien (R) 6 Turner, Hocking, Schupansky, Conti, Fuller, Graham, Staab, Ryan, Rodman, Fisher, Rodriguez, Giselle, Schlegel, Coffey, McCutcheon 5 Ascanio, Staab, Dahlien, Demelo, Flint, Patterson, Rose, Mace, Malonson And, finally, # of US-eligible starters in their most recent match for KC, who ran away with the shield: 10. All of their field players.
I get what you are saying, and I understand the argument. But I think the aspect of salary is just speculation and there is no evidence that teams/leagues play more than NWSL. If it comes out that this is the case, I'd really be interested.
If you are referencing what I said, I think you misunderstood. What Hayes has done, beyond the current player pool for the senior squad, is put an emphasis in bringing in and trying to develop non-senior team players. And trying to have a staff that looks after the players all the way down so that if/when they are ready for the senior team, they can slot in. And Hayes has specifically said that prior to her arrival, the non-senior teams were not well utilized. That is what I was saying.
Was happy to see that. I've also noticed she was showing really battle for getting the ball back, or at least what I was. Still, between her and Cooper it is a real good question. Maybe both? And, related, Tiernan. I didn't get to see the AC match, and the highlights did show much of Tiernan. How did she do?
And, I'm saying that prior to her arrival, this part "bringing in and trying to develop non-senior team players" was not possible, because of the CBA. And this part "trying to have a staff that looks after the players all the way down so that if/when they are ready for the senior team, they can slot in" would have been pointless for any prior manager, because they only got (according to HAO) 26 call ups to use in a contract year. There was no sense in bringing in anyone to test them out, because there were no spots to play with. Prior managers didn't have the luxury of bringing in players before they were ready, so spending a lot of time monitoring players well before they were ready would have been a waste of resources. Thank goodness that all changed with this CBA
Didn't see the match. I'll look at highlites tomorrow. But, I think she's pretty much cooked for the rest of the season. The team as a whole is not scoring, not creating much, and from what I can see, they've changed up the line-up. To me, they should have stuck with Big Sam instead of bringing in Strauss. Look at Fuller. She has a solid 6 goal contributions for the season, but almost nothing in the last 2 months. Other things could be contributing to Tiernan's production having fallen off a cliff. Could be she hit the rookie wall. Could be "second time through the line up" syndrome, there's tape on her now. If that's the case, she'll need to expand the variety in her game. I think she'll have a break out season next season. Really, this season should be considered a breakout season. She's second among US-eligibles in goals and goal contributions. But no one rates her at all. I was listening to the Boot on the Ground podcast and they were wondering who Emma would fill in for Biyendolo as a 9. The were baffled. Then, in order to close the topic, Tara said "Fishel?" I mean Fishel????? over Tiernan? You know that people basically think you suck if they are positing someone with (I'm not going to look it up) with basically no goals, no assists, no playing time, over you. People will start to understand next season. And, if she plays like I think she can, and she's valued as poorly as she currently is, some European team will snap her up. Peace
Both Sears and Moultrie are true NWSL flavors of the week for the past weekend games: both scored two goals and their teams won crucial games to put them in solid contention to reach the playoffs. Also they have solidified their place on the national team, imo. In particular Moultrie has been a leader for Portland recently (even more than Coffey, which is saying a lot!) She should be our designated free-kick taker. Well, at least she should get strong consideration as she's been hitting well recently. @RalleeMonkey I think you are a week behind in your viewing, which is good for me as it helps me remember what happened two weeks ago, jk. I'm really impressed with Sears, she has a true nose for goal, assists will come eventually as she's always looking to score. And Louisville requires a total team effort to win any game--a lot of hard-workers on that team. Re. Tiernan, regardless of her lacking goals for a long stretch now it is a moot point because nobody saw her as a prospect except AC and Lafferty and you get 10 goals that's total gravy. She's definitely talented, most her goals have been self-created, she just needs to build her game otherwise to get more involved. She's has been recognized by the national team, just at the U23 level which is fine since she had no previous youth national team involvement. There's no point in rushing her to the head of the class, just 'cause we have no true heir to Morgan. Fishel hasn't done anything at Seattle yet and wouldn't be ahead of Tiernan, she's just been around longer. If Europe wants her, it'll have to pay, but she's in a good place right where she is.
US-eligibles from the Sofascore TotW -----------------------------------x ----x---------------------------Fuller------------------------Rodman -------------Jackson-----------------Lobanta ---x-----------------x--------------------Shores-----------Milliet ------------------------------Naeher Noce to see that Fuller showed out, the week that I posited that maybe she was burned out. Rodman continues to scorch. Jackson is a 3rd year pro at the age of 19, Fuller is a second year pro at the age of 18. US-eligibles in Sofascore PoY rankings. 2. Flint 4. Bloomer 5. Thompson 6. Cooper 8. Moultrie 9. Howell 14. Lavell 15. Rodman 16. Coffey 18 Demelo 19. Rodriguez Moultrie and Howell have climbed the ladder rapidly lately. In August, Moultrie ahd Howell were 14 and 16, respectively. Especially Howell. Lavell and Rodman, too. Izzy looking like she's a pencilled in starter on the NT. And, at this moment, I wouldn't mind seeing Howell called in over hutton.
US-eligible NWSL stat leaders Goals: 10 - Sears (2nd yr) 8 - Tiernan (R), 6 - Alyssa, Adames (2nd yr, 19 y.o.), Hatch, Moultrie, Hatch, Cooper (2nd year) 5 - Hocking, Turner (2nd year), 4 - , Ascanio (17, 2nd yr), Tordin (R), LaBonta, Shaw, Ryan, Rodman, Flint, Dahlien (R), Shaw (20), Huff, Fuller (2nd yr) Assists League leader 6 6 - Rodriguez 5 - Schupansky (R), Mace, Gisele (2nd yr) 4 - Staab, Schlegel, Malanson, Coffey, 3 Kennedy Fuller (2nd yr), Gareis, G. Thompson, Coffey, Cooper, Malonson, Conti, Graham (rookie), Demelo, Peterson, Dahlien Goal contributions: 11 Sears 9 Tiernan, Cooper 8 Alyssa, 7 Moultrie, Dahlien (R), Rodriguez, Fuller 6 Turner, Hocking, Schupansky, Conti, Fuller, Graham, Staab, Ryan, Rodman, Fisher, Giselle, Schlegel, Coffey, McCutcheon 5 Ascanio, Staab, Dahlien, Demelo, Flint, Patterson, Rose, Mace, Malonson
Was surprised that Moultrie had only 1 assist this year because I think she has great passing vision. Interesting, her expected assisted goals is 4.8 which is third in the League behind Kundananji (6.1) and Cooper (5.6). So if you under-achieve your expected assists, is that more on your teammates?
Good question. I'm don't get to watch Portland enough lately to conjecture. Much earlier in the season I said that it looked like she was playing a lot of good balls that were just barely not coming off, and conjectured that it was a familiarity thing - that the players were getting to know each other. However, that has continued. Maybe there's been flux in Portland's front 4-6, so that's still the case? To clarify, what I was seeing was that the passes weren't getting there, not that the players were whiffing on shots. Maybe defenses were/are playing her to pass, not to shoot - and that's why she's started getting goals? Hard to say.
@RalleeMonkey though it’s unofficial or kept under wraps, looks like the Courage franchise been handed over to the Japanese national team
Last nite, four French starters vs three Americans for San Diego, Can someone please explain what’s great about that? Lol
Which all good, but we’re also training the French to be better as well. With 7 out of 12 of WSL clubs are now American majority owned—-American money being poured in has made England’s NT the most consistent winning team of the 2020’s…..and arguably Sweden as well using the WSL as their stomping grounds(or at least several of their main stars play in that league as well) So American money is building our infrastructure but now it’s also paying for the French to improve their players abilities San Diego is arguably America’s most beautiful city as well as the mildest climate in the world. The Gaslamp district now build up to rival Las Vegas Fremont st/Nashville’s Broadway Ave/Austin’s 6th st as a premier party destination. So what compelled thst America’s best do r want to play in that city?(I mean three American starters)
I agree that teams should not have too many international players. I was looking at KC starting lineup. We always wonder why we lack good wingers and CF. NWSL issue is that it's not playing in a historicity tournament. Like UCL or Copa Libertadores. Playing in Concacaf isn't good for NWSL. Also, doesn't help when you sell your superstars half way in the session and you miss the playoffs.
But the clubs role is not to develop players for any national team - it is to make money and to win. That's why the alternative routes are so important. As for the making the French better, Dali is pretty much at the end of her peak and has not been called up in a while. Morroni is probably not going to play for France again as she was part of the group that signed a letter about the bullying that was occurring by their then head coach, and has not rescinded. But this says as much about the French league as it does about the quality of NWSL. Seriously, beyond Lyon, maybe PSG, Bayern, Barcelona, R Madrid, and the WSL*, the money is not really present to attract players elsewhere, let alone the competition. And there is serious competition in NWSL. Just look at the standing for the past 2 years to see how much it has changed. And just think about next season when Wilson and Swanson will return. Fishel will be integrated, Rodman will hopefully be fit all season, Hanks should be back, and all players like Teirnan, Shapansky, Turner, Tordin, Shores, Ascanio, Fuller etc will have grown another year and should improve. And that is on top of our current national team roster, for which almost all are in NWSL (and that includes the replacement), and we can be sure that 2 of the 3 missing (Swanson, Wilson, and Girma) are also playing in NWSL. Are you saying US players don't want to play there? That seems odd considering there are a lot of US players there. But I think we also need to remember that San Diego had (and continues to have) problems and drama at the administration level, and buying international players who might not know of those problems could be a temporary solution. * - One of the judgements I'm using is Tottenham, who seem to have dramatically improved with only 2 or 3 new additions. I think in all this, we should be looking at London City as well, who did not bring in any American player despite being backed by American money, where as Chelsea, also backed by American money, did bring in 2 very big names in the past 2 transfer windows.