NWR - Why do the Cardinals Whine So Much?

Discussion in 'Sporting Kansas City' started by szazzy, Oct 26, 2004.

  1. szazzy

    szazzy Member

    Apr 18, 2004
    Kansas City, MO
    There was just a 3 minute piece on Sportscenter on how you lowlife Cardinal fans are still blaming Denkinger for your teams World Series loss in 85. Give it up already. Crappy defense lost that game for you.

    Sure, Denkinger blew the call. Orta was out. However, Clark misplayed a foul ball that let Balboni get another shot, and Darryl Porter (RIP) let a pitch get by him that put the winning runs in scoring positions. Steve Bartman didn't lose that series for the Cubs, and Denkinger didn't lose it for you. Your team choked. You had a chance to come back and win game 7, and it was an 11-0 blowout.

    Congratulations for making it back to the Series. McGinty, you can quit sending the man letters now :D .

    ps - I know the Royals suck, but I'm not sending death threats to anyone about it.
     
  2. rallen

    rallen New Member

    Jun 5, 2003
    Shawnee, Ks
    I was hearing how Larosa (how doe you spell whiner? I mean Tony's last name.) was complaining about the accomidations and caviar taht they had in Boston. Just shut up and show up on the field and play.
     
  3. FreeNachos

    FreeNachos Member

    Apr 10, 2001
    North Hollywood, CA
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow, I can never get away from that one. I've never got more uninitated bull crap than from Cardinals fans when I wear a Royals hat. I didn't see it much in Kansas City but living out of town where a KC hat is rare, you get your share. I always say, "You're lucky that game ended when it did because the Cardinals were ruining the game themselves and the Royals were starting a rally...which continued the next night."
     
  4. awparcell

    awparcell New Member

    Aug 18, 2004
    KC via st. louis
    I have lived in both cities for 10 years and it isn't an issue at all to the folks in st. louis. it would have been nice for them to win but they are over it since they have 9 others. i was at kaufman and saw their case of all of those world series trophy. there may be a very few people that still bring it up but the royals haven't had a competitive team in years and won't for years so there is no point. seriously, i root for both teams and this has beaten to death and dropped by cardinal fans long ago. good luck to both in the future!
     
  5. BenC1357

    BenC1357 Member

    Feb 23, 2001
    KC
    I have to disagree. I live in St. Louis now and regularly wear my KC Royals cap. When I do, I catch crap from all over. Most notably my employees, who had taken to calling me "Mr. Denkinger".
     
  6. McGinty

    McGinty Member

    Aug 29, 2001
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Why do Kansas Citians whine so much about St. Louis? Have some dignity, people.

    Equating Bartman to Denkinger? That's the height of absurdity. Was anyone really shocked that something like that would happen to the Cubs? The only shock was that the Gods allowed Cubs fans to actually think a World Series was coming.
     
  7. awparcell

    awparcell New Member

    Aug 18, 2004
    KC via st. louis

    I wear my cardinals hat in kc and always get positive comments from it. usually "nice hat" or someething like that. I certainly wouldn't call it a rivalry, the cardinals rival is the cubs of course. I think the royals most recent rival was the yankees but how many other cities probably claim that?
     
  8. Buzz Killington

    Buzz Killington Member+

    Oct 6, 2002
    Lee's Summit
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually I would say that's mostly because the Royals fans aren't the ones that are upset about the series, cause we won it. Also with KC fans, since the Royals suck, many people adopt the Cardinals because they are a team in the same state that actually wins, unlike the Royals. KC has a lot of fair weather fans.
     
  9. szazzy

    szazzy Member

    Apr 18, 2004
    Kansas City, MO
    Did you guys even felt like you made it to the Series this time? You could have forfeited and the scoreline would've looked the same. Jeff Suppan is really good though. We Royals fans could've told you that.
     
  10. awparcell

    awparcell New Member

    Aug 18, 2004
    KC via st. louis

    We won 105 games and the NL pennant this season regardless of the world series. Who else would have beat the sox after coming back on the yankees like they did. There is 1 team that has won more world series than the cardinals. Suppan may not be a cy young candidate but with our offense and defense you can't have the best staff....unless of course you are the yankees and spend close to 200m.
     
  11. szazzy

    szazzy Member

    Apr 18, 2004
    Kansas City, MO
    Sorry. I meant to add this. :D I liked Suppan. He could easily (and he was) be the ace of a staff for a team like the Royals that always looks for cheap veterans to mix with whichever young guys who's shoulders we still haven't ruined. However, if your team's payroll is 80+ million dollars, you're gunning for the Series. I can't even think of a team in my lifetime that has had that bad of an "ace" that has even advanced to the World Series. Even the 1998 Padres team that got blown out by the Yankees had Kevin Brown. The postseason is and always will be about pitching.
     
  12. KCFutbol

    KCFutbol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 14, 2001
    Overland Park, KS
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wasn't Suppan making $4.5 million for the Royals? I believe the Cardinals picked him up for "only" $1 million.
     
  13. awparcell

    awparcell New Member

    Aug 18, 2004
    KC via st. louis

    How many teams can you think of with 3 gold gloves and the offense from both sides of the plate......and the bullpen.
     
  14. McGinty

    McGinty Member

    Aug 29, 2001
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    By the same token, what difference would it have made if the Royals just forfeited every game?

    And who said Suppan was the ace?
     
  15. SamPierron

    SamPierron BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 30, 1998
    Kansas City
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm pretty sure that Matt Morris was supposed to be the ace of this staff, and their long-term planning was for it to be Ankiel (we're going back long-range here). By year's end, Chris Carpenter was the ace, and he was hurt. All of the Cards' starters are decent, but that wasn't the problem, anyway. Rolen picked a bad time to have a slump, and weird things kept happening to the Cards. It's a short series...it just happens sometimes.
     
  16. Spoon

    Spoon Member

    Feb 25, 1999
    Overland Park Ks
    Club:
    Kansas City Wizards
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not just Rolen, the whole frickin tean picked a bad time to get in a hitting slump.
     
  17. BenC1357

    BenC1357 Member

    Feb 23, 2001
    KC
    Why are a bunch of soccer fans talking about baseball. Isn't that against the rules on BigSoccer. ;)

    Oh, and go Royals! There's always next year, and the year after that, and the year after that, and the year after that...
     
  18. McGinty

    McGinty Member

    Aug 29, 2001
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Sam pretty much summed it up. The rotation throughout the year was Morris, Williams, Marquis, Suppan, Carpenter. Carpenter turned out to be a huge surprise as he hadn't pitched in two years because of injury, and he was the best all year. Marquis turned out to a good acquisition during the season with a hard sinker (that never did sink during the playoffs). Suppan was solid, and Williams after a rough start, was his reliable self. Morris had previously been the ace and had a decent record this year, but he lost velocity on his fastball this season which prevented him from being his formerly dominant self. The starting rotation was built around pitching down and allowing the outstanding defense to make plays, then turn it over to a fantastic bullpen that underperformed at times (the loss of Steve Kline was part of that).
     
  19. szazzy

    szazzy Member

    Apr 18, 2004
    Kansas City, MO
    We're the new Clippers! :D Sorry thought I'd bust out another sport. Somethings got to keep my mind off the apocalypse. I just really enjoy jerking Cardinal fan's chain.
     
  20. szazzy

    szazzy Member

    Apr 18, 2004
    Kansas City, MO
    That would've saved me alot of time and broken TV's.

    Suppan and Morris' stats were interchangeable this year. I heard many a St. Louis fan rationalize their chances to win the Series because they thought Suppan could get 2 wins. Morris is still IMO not of the caliber of pitchers that I think a team needs to do anything in the playoffs. I just think the team was an overglorified White Sox squad with better defense. Actually I'd probably take the White Sox pitching.
     
  21. McGinty

    McGinty Member

    Aug 29, 2001
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    If you go by the theory that you NEED an ace to win in the postseason, then Morris WAS that type of pitcher a few years ago.

    As for the pitching as a whole, they were tops in the majors in WHIP and 2nd in ERA.
     
  22. szazzy

    szazzy Member

    Apr 18, 2004
    Kansas City, MO
    You could probably win one without an ace, but I can't think of a team that's done it in 20 years. I'm sure someone has. I equate it to the importance of a hot goalie to win the Stanley Cup.
     
  23. McGinty

    McGinty Member

    Aug 29, 2001
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    There's an analysis on that subject on http://www.redbirdnation.blogspot.com/. Scroll down to Oct. 4th to read it.
     
  24. szazzy

    szazzy Member

    Apr 18, 2004
    Kansas City, MO
    Now that's analysis. That was really good and had some really surprising numbers. My only problem with the idea is his definition of "ace" . A postseason "ace" to me is not someone who necessarily can put together a 20 win season. That would certainly put you in the category to be considered, but stuff is just as important when you face a lineup like the Red Sox.

    Kenny Rogers was in his list of possible "aces" because of some good regular season records he put together with the Rangers. Even in his prime, Kenny Rogers would have been lit up by this lineup. Josh Beckett gets hot and takes the World Series. He is an "ace" in my opinion, but would've not have been considered one in that analysis. No matter how well Suppan or Morris pitched, the Sox were at least going to be getting men on base. With Beckett, you knew there was a chance nobody could touch him if he was on. Obviously stuff is not the only thing. Pedro does not have as overwhelming stuff as he once did, but he still has almost 20mph difference between his fastball and changeup. He is capable of shutting down the best bats on this planet on a good day. Ankiel could've been that guy a few years ago, and maybe Morris at one time. However, I think even if Rolen and Edmonds hit better they still lose this year's series with that rotation. It just would've been closer.
     

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