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Discussion in 'Ecuador' started by Guayaquileño, Dec 16, 2007.
my old home town!!!!!
go get a deep dish pizza
and get an Italian beef sandwich (dipped)
I am a bit more partial to NY thin style pizza...but I will have to try the real deal while I am there. Thanks for the pointers!
We do have some "sisters" around here they know who they are...
Anyways, is there a movie on this.I prefer to watch,,instead of reading.
YOu know that there is a documentary on William Cooper?
It's the number book to get stolen from Barnes and Nobles.
Honestly even for the non-reader, you won't put it down.
Carlos Vera was one of Correa's strongest supporters during the election. So much that Alvaro Noboa (a true dumb-ass) claimed that Ecuavisa was against him. One year later, Vera has formed this opinion of him.
I guess it is time to resurect this thread!!!
HELL YEA .. !!!! I hear ya Buddy !
solidarity with Ecuador....through thick and thin
With Ecuador? Yes...
With the idiots that put us in situations like Correa and his daddy Chavez have?
CORREA MUST GO!
through thick and thin with my country.... but after all this gets resolved Correa must go and never return to office after his term.
I'm sorry but I respectfully disagree. One, why should he never return to office if a majority MIGHT want in him in office and he decides to run for election again? Ecuador is not fighting a losing battle by asserting itself and its rights as a nation, I think we all agree on that, but its imperative to understand that although he is allied to Venezuela, he is not a harbinger of death or evil. Yes he might have left leaning tendencies but since when should that be a political death sentence? Many presidents, considered to be liberal for their times, have been very good for their country. Time will tell all not only for this current dilemma we're in but also for his legacy left on Ecuador. For one, I'm relieved that Ecuador finally stood up for what is RIGHT, even if its unpopular with the United States. I welcome a good and respectful debate on this issue, after all, our differences make us unique but we must never let them divide our common unity: Being brothers/sisters under our Ecuadorian Flag.
Correa should not be kicked out of office because he stood up for Ecuador (that is after all is job), or because he is Chavez' ally, or because he has left tendencies or because he is an arrogant idiot.
He should leave office however, if evidence comes to light that he has had dealings with the FARC that go beyond the release of Ecuadorian hostages. Any evidence of Correa working with the FARC and giving them any kind of support, safe passage, logistics, land, etc would be enough for me to know that this panty waste is not the kind of person I want to be my representative as a leader.
OK then we agree to disagree and yes I am backing him up in this situation because he is doing his job of representing Ecuador and he is being tougha an firm in his stance. After all it is his job and for that I won't critisize him. OTHER than that, I really wish he end his term and not come back. I would not want him to be forced out of office or anything like that because I want Ecuador to show the world that we are done with that sort of thing and are able to abide by democracy.
And remember sometimes what the majority asks for is not good for them! example- Abdala !
I second this post.
well this all boils down to who likes Correa and who doesn't...if he has had underhanded dealings with the FARC, which are highly dubious in my opinion, then I will be very disappointed as well. As for Abdala, that dude was a bit crazy but had good foresight to at least see the need to dollarize the economy but I still wish he would have finished his term and gotten the hell out of the country in a Democratic manner, George W. Bush isn't necessarily the greatest thing for this country by any means, but at least he can serve his term in peace, even if there is popular discord against him. Whatever happens, I hope Ecuador as a whole respects the rule of law, they were made for a reason and thats to abide by them
Last week the congress of the "Coordinadora Continental Bolivariana" was held in Ecuador`s capital Quito. This movement is a pet project of president Chavez of Venezuela and although he wasn`t present, himself, this forum was also attended by representatives of the FARC and ETA (Basque guerilla from Spain)
I think this says it all.
I really wish this guy never became president.
the people will be stupid to re-elect this him.
I want a president that embraces capitalism and not this blind "bolivarian ideology".
here's the dilemma, i've spilled my thoughts on it for a long time now so i'll try to keep it short. As a third world country, with little else in valuable exports other than oil which will be in high demand forever, we are at the mercy of the free market when it comes to international prices for bananas, shrimp, textiles, roses, among several other things. To say we fully embrace capitalism means we will be embracing the good, and the bad. That is to say, we'll have to be ready to face dumping from the United States (which is good and bad) of their products into Ecuador which we'll get for relatively little or even free, but we'll collapse our own industry in the process. Seeing as many of our goods are substitute goods, it'd be foolish to embrace full fledged capitalism, our people work at dollar wages and simply cannot compete against the Asian labor costs, or even the Central American costs. Yes, in the long run capitalism will fuel growth to new industries, but in the short term many businesses will crumble and people will be left homeless, how will they pay for food? services? education? The government is not wealthy enough, or strong enough to pay for the transitional period, it might be a few years, it might be a generation...nobody really knows. Correa leans to the left, believes in populism and regional cooperation and more equal distribution of wealth. Ecuador is not Switzerland, or Great Britain where social conditions are very stable, there are not as many risk variables. Correa fights an uphill battle, against a rigid social hierarchy, old style politics, rampant political corruption, and a fragmented society, plus this new crisis in Colombia which seems to be resolved. In the face of crisis he stood up to a threat, and he won. I'm not saying he's the savior for Ecuador, but he most certainly isn't the worst thing that we can have, he's a man trying to institute change in a country that's been fraught with problems ever since the Spanish left power. He might be the right man for our time, he really hasn't done anything which would merit his ousting, he's a straightforward, educated man who is very eloquent and as of right now is enjoying high marks of approval.
That was longer than I thought, srry
It's cool bro. I actually don't mind reading other's views be it as long as it may be.
OKay.. maybe not 100% capitalism.. I don't think even the US is 100% capitalist.. but still Correa should atleast try and incorporate more capitalism into the country instead of denouncing it and calling it the root of all evil and social inequality.
He should stop with the radical bolivarian/alfaro type stuff.... It's cool and all being proud and a bit nationalistic... but it gets old and annoying hearing it every time.
And he should not mess around with city gov't and other institutions.. especially the private sector... especially if they are doing well.
What Guayaquileño said...plus, having the US as an ally, especially an economic ally, is better than having them as an enemy on all fronts! Besides, American tourists do spend a lot of money in Ecuador along with foreign investment with US companies is not a bad idea.
I agree 100% to what you said crismerz, although I'd say that we are already an economic ally with the United States. We buy their cars, textiles, and services while they buy our shrimp, bananas, roses, and now our manpower with so many Ecuadorian immigrants in the US. We are not the enemy of the United States at all, while we aren't as pro-American as Colombia or Costa Rica might be, we are not enemies, we have a long tradition of cooperation and its going to continue forever even if Correa disagrees with current American policy, thats as far as it really goes, anybody that cuts off ties with America is dead in the water. And, with maybe a democrat as president of the US (hopefully Obama) I feel that we will once again have a great relationship with the United States after the failed foreign policy inititatives of the current administration die out, honestly its just a lack of understanding of culture and the region which make our differences more pronounced now. American direct investment is in Ecuador and is growing daily, my dad is actually setting up a group of investors to start buying land in Manta for development on a larger scale, like 1000 hectares but it's still in planning. Many Americans are putting money into our tourism sector, our ports and factories. I don't want to be a conspiracy artist but sometimes it has been America's fault, and the fault of special interests which have come to Ecuador to kill our economy with bad loans, unfair contracts and empty promises, can you really blame Correa for speaking out against these things that have kept us down for so long. But Loraz brought up a fantastic book to read called Confessions of an Economic Hit Man which I had to read last year for a Latin American Political/Economic Studies class, I highly recommend that you guys read it, it sheds light on a lot of issues that we cover and Ecuador is explicitly stated in that book several times, the author has been to Ecuador several times.
I am sorry if I was not clear; I never stated that Ecuador and the US were enemies but that "having the US as an ally, especially an economic ally, is better than having them as an enemy" - or being on "poor terms". I am looking foreward to what this administration and the US wil become as time goes.
Yes, we are currently allies; allies out of need - and you know what? There is nothing wrong with that!
I do not want to see US/Ecuador relations turn for the worse. Basically, I am implying that the last thing I want to hear out of Correa's mouth is the way Chavez speaks about the United States, because that will be the road to disaster.
The relationship with the US could be better but I am afraid that Correa's invlovment with Chavez and his own personal beliefs do not make for improvement on relations with the US a top priority of his. His arrogance and leftist ideology makes me want to punch him in the mouth everytime he opens it.
well I see where you're coming from. How much of that can you attribute to Correa's rhetoric? Because I'd have to say that he's nowhere near as insane as Chavez is, and probably never will be, he is more calculated and critical on key issues instead of the US as a whole. I think much of this tension with the US comes from Correa looking back into the roots of Ecuadorian nationalism similar to what happened in Europe in the late 60's and the rejection of America's current administration, to say the least, I blame George W. Bush and his failed policies in Latin America, there is favoritism of Colombia just because of the FARC and their impact on the US, Ecuador is left marginalized from all the benefits of having America on their side but we're still expected to support them anyway? Thats just my take on it, it seems that many countries in the world resent the arrogance of the US these past 8 years...like I'm saying, a new administration will see Correa and the new president (OBAMA!! :cross fingersas best buds, they're both educated, they're both free thinkers, I think its a great outlook
I really don't know much about politics which is why I did not post up in that other thread regarding the Colombian army going into our land and killing Reyes.You guys were holding it up pretty good.With the little sh!t I know I can tell you that Correa is trying to bring the country in equality,instead of having all the jobs,dinero federal,resources etc,etc go to the same region has they always do.He has discovered that "las familias de siempre" las de los famosos apellidos del pais stay wealthy while el pueblo sufre.Many years of not paying federal taxes and now that he wants to enforce this,"los apellidos famosos" start b!tching and whining.Dandoles informacion falsas o un billetito
a los pobres ignorantes para que salgan a la calle a gritar y actuar ridicolos en las calles. La mayoria de los ecuatorianos want la Base de Manta to go ASAP fuera del pais(creo que ellos tuvieron algo que ver con la muerte de Reyes) but I will put my balls on the line that if La Base de estuviera en Quito o GYE no hubiera mucho pito.The base has to do with Manta being the fastest growing city in Ecuador,and fear of being better or bigger than the above cities mention which is why I think they want that Base out.La Base de Manta has given jobs to many ecuadorians,what will happen to those people when la Base leaves?And like I said before,,it is f!cked up that other nations are a big part of why Manta is progressing real quick instead of it's own government.Why because Ecuador no mas es UIO and GYE and maybe las Islas Galapagos.La ruta que iba hacer de Ecuador,Manta to Brasil,Manaos, all of a sudden will be from GYE to Manaos,and this was coming from politicians in Quito.WTF,,,Manta mete mucho miedo a GYE y UIO,which is why no lo dejan progresar.Ahora si van los gringos porque "las familias" de siempre dicen es asi,,pero llegaran los Chinos vamos aver que pasa....igual mi gente no se deja morir de hambre,,como dice el refran "en el mar la vida es mas sabrosa"
This is why I kind of like Correa,not cause of his involvement with Chavez,but because of what he is trying to do with the country equality for all.
Y todos esos politicos coruptos,, rapido se olvidan que el mejor ecuatoriano de todo los tiempos era Manaba.It's only fair that they at least help his land to progress.
Yes but, Correa wants to close the base in Manta!!