Nov/Dec matches - Nov 28 and Dec 1

Discussion in 'USA Women: News and Analysis' started by soccernutter, Sep 15, 2025.

  1. soccernutter

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    Aug 22, 2001
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    Top 10 are out. WTF?!?! Girma not listed at all. No Swanson or Wilson?

    And I am stunned the Girma didn't even get a vote. Not a single vote. I can understand Swanson and Wilson not being there since they didn't play much (at all?), but no Girma.
     
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  2. NorthBank

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    Arsenal; NYRB
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    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
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    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    Can someone share the top 10? When I went to the link, the article only seemed to start at #11?

    I think you're right about lack of PT perhaps being the factor for Swanson/Wilson. And also (as someone else said) it's a British/Euro publication so it's gonna be centered there.

    Oh, and Girma... I think maybe her own lack of PT since she moved to WSL could be explanatory. Still there's no way she shouldn't be in the list. She was the friggin highest transfer fee at the time!
     
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  3. soccernutter

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  4. psnotyours

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    Bvb
    United States
    Mar 8, 2023
    You are missing one—the Eurosnobs, especially on the women's side of soccer.
    Doesn't help with your caption, says. "American Soccer fans, most of them aren’t smart. They don’t know the game. They don’t understand". Why would you say that? She isn't the best player in the national team, and she isn't 27. I could say she needs to be dropped from the starting lineup, as we could see in those passed games.
     
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  5. NorthBank

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    Connecticut
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    #455 NorthBank, Dec 4, 2025
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    Thanks. Nice (for me) to see 3 Gunners in the top 10, but at the same time, that just seems to confirm what some of us have been saying. The Guardian is England/UEFA-centric, so no surprise that 9 of the top 10 are from there.

    Edit: And 8 of the top 10 are from last May's UWCL Final. ;)
     
  6. yabo

    yabo Member+

    Jun 1, 2000
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    I've wondered about transitioning Heaps to a central full back role.
     
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  7. RalleeMonkey

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    Aug 30, 2004
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    Rose is better than any of those English field players. And, no Girma is comedy. It's ok, when the WC comes around, we'll stand on business. Again.
     
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  8. soccernutter

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    Tottenham Hotspur
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    What caption?
     
  9. psnotyours

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    Bvb
    United States
    Mar 8, 2023
    My bad, captain
     
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  10. cpthomas

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    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The list has Emily Fox as the best US player. ?????
     
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  11. soccernutter

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    I don't think she has enough defensive skill to be a defensive player anywhere on the pitch. Besides, that, she's too slow.

    My thoughts were that Girma should probably be #2 as she's the best defender.
    Russo and Guijarro got elevated to high - agreed they should not be above Lavelle.
    I don't have an issue with the others being ahead of Lavelle. Caldentay should have legit won every player of the year award.
    I also don't think Hampton is worth being in the top 10. I don't think there is a current goal keeper in the world that is worthy of being top 10.

    They provide a breakdown of the votes.
    The voters
    https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...100-best-female-footballers-in-the-world-2025

    The votes
    https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...d-in-the-100-best-female-footballers-for-2025

    That said, there very much does seem to be a Euro final bias. Williamson has missed most of the last half of the year, yet was selected as top 10. Yet Girma, who has also missed about half the year, didn't even get a vote.
     
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  12. soccernutter

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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
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    Gotcha.

    You are not American? If you are, what do you mean by "your [captain]"?
     
  13. taosjohn

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    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    Writing as someone who has had one in house and several on teams, it takes about 10 months for someone with a complete ACL tear and meniscus damage who gets a hamstring replacement rather than a corpse one, it is usually about ten months until they can compete-- but the speed doesn't return until several months later. A Corpse replacement is a bit quicker, but nowhere near as strong, and the recovery of speed is nowhere as great generally. My wife had a hammy harvest one, and I had no clue that she had ever been as fast as she suddenly was midseason the following year.

    All that is assuming no complications-- Macario IIRC had other ligament damage and also required another surgery, for scar tissue or infection or joint mice or something. And patellar tendons, though usually fixable seem to have no great predictability time wise.

    So there's no real reason to think Davidson won't make it back in time-- in fact having rehabbed them before her return is likely to be a bit sooner than the next player-- she knows what it takes. But unfortunately having more than one is a predictor for having three or four-- and you run out of hamstrings to harvest and have to take a corpse..

    CF Shea Ralphs, Vanderbilt basketball coach, whose playing career at UConn was cut short and largely sidetracked by repeated ACL tears.
     
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  14. NorthBank

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    She plays in the WSL and starts every game, and won a UWCL trophy. I (we) suspect that's what gives her cred w/ Guardian. Not that she's too bad a player either! ;)
     
  15. NorthBank

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    I thought maybe they were referring to Captain Heaps (but I'm not going to take the time to scroll up, sorry)
     
  16. NorthBank

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    Arsenal FC
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    United States
    Wow, that post made me realize just how ignorant I am about hamstring surgery options. Is a "harvest" from your own body/leg? And a corpse is obvious, but what are the odds that a corpse hammie transplant(?) is going to match your leg/bone dimensions properly??

    This may be opening a huge pandora's box of medical knowledge, so if it's not a relatively short/simply answer, I can live without. :)
     
  17. MiLLeNNiuM

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    #467 MiLLeNNiuM, Dec 4, 2025
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    No thanks.
    The Spanish and Brits can continue winning these individual awards.
    I'd be happy if the US were to have consistent success in winning major tournaments 'only' instead of these individual awards.
     
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  18. Number007

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    Santos FC
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2018
    Did I say that?
     
  19. Number007

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    Santos FC
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2018
    How can you have accuracy in a totally subjective exercise?
     
  20. Number007

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    Santos FC
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2018
    The engagement on this list underscores my claim that it is the easiest way to get engagement. It seems like the basis is "which players had the best year" as opposed to who are the best players. Given the source, with no WC, the CL will be seen as the biggest event and probably be overly weighted in determining the best year.

    I happen to think Russo is overrated. That said, she had a good run in the CL so...
     
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  21. Smallchief

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    As usual, the Eurocentic list of 100 best women's soccer players is a joke. The best U.S. player on the list is Emily Fox at number 24? How is that the U.S. could win the 2024 Olympics with no player better than 24th on the list? We must have an incredibly well-organized, over-achieving, and lucky team to achieve such victories with a team composed entirely of mediocre players (sarcasm).

    To be specific, Fox doesn't deserve to be ranked as high as 24th -- and she's not the best U.S. player. I would rate her less good that Rodman, Coffey, Macario, Lavelle, Girma, and maybe Moultrie and Sonnett. And Moultrie, Girma, and Sonnet aren't even included in this lists top 100. Bah! Humbug!
     
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  22. soccernutter

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    I said attempt. Not success.
     
  23. soccernutter

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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    Yeah, that is clear. But I'm trying to find out if that was just a turn of phrase, or talking specifically to me.
     
  24. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    Forcing a short answer, with the understanding that IANADr.

    When a ligament must be replaced, it has to come from somewhere. There are five longish cords--tendons-- in the hamstring two of which can be extracted, cut shorter and braided to make up a replacement for the destroyed ligament. The hamstring seems to function fine with these removed. My wife said it feels a bit weird without them, but didn't seem to affect mobility, or speed-- although she did not initially realize that her adolescent/early adulthood speed was back, and I suspect that the anchoring of the replacement improved the angle of incidence of the joint just a trifle. It wasn't till she hit an inside the park home run that she accepted the judgement of others that she was way faster than they had seen before. The surgeon did say or seem to say that it wasn't unusual for it to take extra months for the speed, and then for it to come almost all at once, over a compressed period.

    You cannot harvest the same hamstring twice however. generally after one or two, you have to deal with the corpse harvest method... and the repeated tears thing seems to be true in other sports and the other gender as well. Jim Otto of the Raiders had something like 11 knee surgeries over his career, about half of which were ligament tears, and several others follow ups to clear scar tissue.

    Nomar Garciaparra had a different issue-- his tendons tended to not tear, but split lengthways, and he kept needing surgery to kind of bind them back together.

    It was at the surgeon's office that he met Mia.
     
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  25. RalleeMonkey

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    ya, I'm a huge Fox fan. But ...... is she much better than Patterson?
     

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