not good news... I say Cotton Bowl forever! Perhaps they fix the seats and chop off the upper flights. I wish. http://www.ussocceruk.com
No big deal... If the construction business in Dallas is like it in in Denver, they shouldn't have any problems finding another builder. Heck, there's probably already estimators camping out in front of their offices!
HSG has other options for the Construction Firm. I have been promised dinner at Del Frisco's if the groundbreaking doesn't happen on the to-be-published date between the Super Bowl and when the team departs for Spain. -bs
I saw this on yesterday's city council agenda, and there are 5 other firms that are being considered. The date of expected completion on the bid proprosal has not changed. I wouldn't be worried about this. BTW, Del Friscos kicks Bob's a$$.
cool cool. I still will miss the cotton bowl (but at least we have 1 year there) but here's to turning another new leaf in Burn History with bigger seats and cheaper parking... oh and with no additional State Fair Admission.
I think Phil Salyer's dad is a contractor - maybe they can get Old Man Salyer's company to build the stadium. Hell, if Phil got some more minutes this year, he might even give the Burn a discount!
what if... Even better yet. Give us the proposed soccer palace closer to the center of the 820/635 city loop. Put a competitive market friendly product on the new grass. Put personnel in place to deliver what the soccer market clamors for. Sell it in every language spoken here. If that were done, what do you suppose attendance would be like? I think that they would have to quickly add onto the existing design to house the masses that would gobble up a great and well located product.
Re: what if... Theo - You bought a pair of Burn colored glasses!?! I like your dream! (You do know that it was a dream right?)
No Chaz, This is a reality limited by the decisions of HSG. Now if you ask me my expectations for HSG to pull their heads out of Islamico's tail end? Doom and Gloom baby.
Re: what if... The area Theodore is referring to is about 20 miles from the Frisco site. I just have a hard time believing that less than 20 minutes drive will make that big of difference in attendance.
Re: what if... 820 loops around Fort Worth, and 635 loops around Dallas. They do not intersect. I guess we could name it the Heisenberg Uncertainty Stadium, simultaneously co-located in two seperate municipalities separated by distance. That would fit right in with the uncertain and very difficult to locate "funding cloud" that would be replace the $45MM that Frisco City, Frisco ISD, and Collin Country are putting in to the deal on top of Lamar's $10MM. Ted, sometimes, you make good points, and other times, you look like a complete idiot. This falls in the latter category. Do you read *any* of the postings on this board, or in the press? The Espanyol press has reported MORE of the germain facts related to the McKinney and Frisco deals than the Gringo press. You therefore have NO excuse for making comments like you have made in this thread that would lead an independent observer to conclude that you are a troll or you just teleported in from several parsecs away. -bs
Re: Re: what if... I assumed he is referring to general areas, and regardless Frisco is not that far. Many people commute to work longer each day.
Re: Re: what if... Very touchy you are whenever anyone has anything derrogatory to say about this particular stadium deal. Why? You have put the car in reverse on HSG, that is commendable. If Frisco is such an ideal local, why do none of the major sports franchises build in such a place? Since the $$'s all go to HSG and not the Burn, what the hell do I care how much the Frisco Football ISD gives them? It doesn't do me a damned bit of good. Is it of benifit to you? Your postings about "Espanyol press" and my reading them continue to make assumptions about me that are ridiculous. The postings on this board are not UPI or AP, they are unverified facts and opinions. And, opinions that are frequently wrong and subject to change. That is what a good board is all about. Here you go again with the names "idiot" , "troll", ect ect.. Again, why do you take any criticism of the stadium deal so personally? Who said anything about 820 and 635 intersecting? I didn't. The center of the 820 loop and 635 loop, (yes, the center of two separate loops) would actually be a little east of Grand Prairie along I-30. It is no coincidence that the two largest amusement parks, a big time horse track, Major League Baseball, Major League Hockey, the National Basketball Association, Fair Park and the Cotton Bowl, ect ect, ect are all located near this pinpoint. Maybe someone as enlightened as you should tell them to beam aboard your your troll- fee space ship. Maybe you could take them to your leader, and he could tell them what a horrible mistake they made by putting their product in such a centralized place. Idiots and uniformed sports owners that they are. Oh well, I guess that they do not read the same newspapers that you do. Otherwise, hell they'd see their idiocy, sell in a nano second, and to relocate east of Tyler. I'll freely admit Brush, that I have "no excuse" for making the comments I make. But I wonder about you. Do you have an excuse? You sure do seem to take the Frisco thing way too personally amigo.
Theo, Your geography needs some work: AAC (NHL & NBA) is not near Grand Prairie on I-30, it is in Dallas just east of I-35. Fair Park (MLS) is further from Grand Prairie than AAC, east of I-45. To your point, AAC and the Cotton bowl are more centrally located than Frisco. But on a Saturday evening (ie not rush hour) Frisco won't be that bad from anywhere in the metroplex.
Re: Re: Re: what if... I suppose the Rangers and the Stars are not major sports franchises. The Rangers just BUILT their minor league stadium in Frisco. The Stars just BUILT their practice facility in Frisco. Now, the Burn are going to BUILD their SSS in Frisco. Seems like some people feel it is an ideal local. By the way, Arlington is not exactly the most centralized place either. For those of us who live in Collin County it is one heck of hike, yet it don't stop many of us from going to Ranger games, does it? Not everything can be built in the exact geographical center of the city.
Let's not become the Democratic Party here, endlessly quibbling over the ideological flaws of candidates and therefore dooming their electability. As observed in any market's stadium construction analysis, it only happens with the confluence of motivated investor and municipal patrons. In Dallas, that is only occurring in Frisco. We will achieve a wonderful stadium as a result. Stop quibbling.
Exactly. Tearing down the Kroger at Mockingbird and Greenville and building Burn Field there would suit me just fine. Likewise tearing down the Cotton Bowl and building a SSS there would be the best of all worlds. Neither is an option so why bother discussing it. Either the Burn stay in the Cotton Bowl and lose money off rent and keep the atmosphere of a half-empty stadium or they move to Frisco where the city not only wants the Burn but is willing to pay to have them there and in a more comfortable stadium that the Burn can fill and grow with. Until interest by a City Council is shown otherwise, there is no point in discussing alternatives.
If the city of Dallas has any $$$ for a sport venue, it sure as heck isn't going to HSG. If any of those council members wish to get reelected they will search behind every city couch cushion to hand $1 billion to Jerry Jones and his fantasy wonderland project. Let's be realistic here, Theo. You are basically suggesting that HSG reject government funding assistance to build there own SSS in Dallas on the ideal that it will send a positive signal to the Hispanic community. That just isn't reasonable to ask of any business venture.
You will not get any quibbles from me. The stadium, althought not ideal, is absolutely a financial winner. Hunt is basically investing $10 million which he will recover when the naming rights are sold. The only other cost is the $100,000 annaul rent. Considering Hunt gets to control most of the dates at the facility and keeps all the ancillary revenues, the team will probably be in the black the first year it moves. For a team that was within a hair of being contracted, this stadium is an absolute gold mine. The Metroplex is getting a Soccer Specific Stadium and to top it all off, there will be many soccer fields on the premises.
planning hey tex,you seem to be able to decipher the frisco pages,minutes,,agenda..planning and zoning,9-11-03 item#4,,hope you can find it it says the land hasn't been rezoned even ..yet i.ve been trying to post the page but to no avail...i'll try sending link
maybe this works www.ci.frisco.tx.us/agendas_meetings_index.htm item name pbz20040113.....agenda item 4