Not a true Christian: Debate Christianity and Religion's role in Politics

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  1. Sounders78

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    Jesus certainly treated the overtly religious as a group, rather than as individuals. And I get why he did it.

    You want to know why I call out Christians as a group instead of as individuals? I do it because too many times when I have been persecuted by Christians, other Christians watched in silence (or sometimes joined in on the fun). Those Christians never treated me as an individual - they targeted me because of my group membership (being gay). It also speaks volumes to me that the minute I treat Christians like they treated me, they stop being silent and get upset that I am treating them as a group.

    Jesus's actions make sense to me when I consider what Isaiah (1:10-17) said to the rulers of Sodom and Gomorrah (isn't it ironic, don't you think), with the exhortation in verse 17 to:

    Learn to do right; seek justice.
    Defend the oppressed.
    Take up the cause of the fatherless; plead the case of the widow.​

    Learn, seek, defend, take up, plead; those are all commands to help the other, the ones without societal power or influence. You cannot do those by remaining silent (or by joining in the stone-throwing). When groups are doing the oppressing, you have to treat them as a group. That is why Jesus treated the overtly religious as a group, not as individuals.

    Ask yourself where I am most welcome as an individual who happens to be gay: in a typical church or a typical gay bar? If it is the latter, then in my mind Christians are no better than the overtly religious people Jesus condemned as a group.

    Finally, the reason I respond to superdave is because I know the Christians here will, more often than not, remain silent.
     
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  2. dapip

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  3. ElNaranja

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    Any settlement with the church that doesn't involve massive jail time for the perps and those who covered it up is bull****.
     
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  4. superdave

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    You’re missing the difference between criminal trials and civil trials LOL
     
  5. ElNaranja

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    Not missing. Just upset by. These crimes are so horrible, so systemic, so...pervasive that no amount of money can possibly cover it and only complete and total dismantling via incarceration could come close to suffice.
     
  6. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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  7. dapip

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  8. dapip

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  9. Auriaprottu

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    Are they telling their members how to vote, and somehow not taking racism into account first, middle and last? How they tell me I need to find a different God to worship without telling me

    That's what bugs me about that church. idgaf if the Congressional Dems, to a one, put unborn baby livers and boiled okra on pizza- before Trump took office, I could teach something closer to the truth about America's checkered moral past, present, and future.

    The Founding Deadbeat Fathers, in their infinite paranoia, ********ed this nation over by giving education to the states. They were too stupid to realize we weren't going to be much smarter about the issue of race now than they were then. Because race is what's driving the immigration issue, the border issue, the Islam issue and the DEI issue.
     
  10. superdave

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    As history, this is barely better than Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Slayer.

    Those who don’t understand the past make terrible history teachers.
     
  11. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    Red Hat means watch them closely for sex crimes, scamming & child abuse
     
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  12. dapip

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    I saw this a few days ago, but forgot about it until I saw the mafia comment...

    https://apnews.com/article/argentina-opus-dei-c04dc1f54c033a967975c6261922f698

    Prosecutors argue that Opus Dei selected girls and adolescents from low-income families, usually from rural areas far from the organization’s activity centers, and that they were recruited “under the promise of receiving training and improving their job prospects.”

    “Once admitted, they were subjected to a regime of ‘spiritual, professional and work training,’ and if they showed a vocation to be numerary assistants, they were assigned for life to perform domestic tasks in Opus Dei centers, both in the country and abroad,” they said.
    The investigation centers on four cases that fit the crime of human trafficking under current Argentinian legislation.

    Some of the complainants gave their testimony to AP in a story published in November 2021 in which they reported working under “manifestly illegal conditions” that included working without pay for 12 hours-plus without breaks except for food or prayer, no registration in the Social Security system and other violations of basic rights.
     
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  13. superdave

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    Is Opus Dei a political party in Argentina? That’s stunning, and the first I heard of it.
     
  14. Sounders78

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    JD Vance has connections to Opus Dei

     
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  15. Auriaprottu

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    It's the present, sunshine. Try to keep up.
     
  16. superdave

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    Writing about the FF’s policy on public education is pretty obviously a major, major, major anachronism. It’s like criticizing their views on nuclear containment, or space exploration.

    Bad history that overvalorizes the Constitution is bad, but so is wildly ahistorical criticism of them.

    Hopefully you teach English or math or music or something because

    …this obviously didn’t happen.
     
  17. superdave

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    And I just want to add…if public school history teachers are doing this, if they’re talking about the public education policy of the Constitution generation as a way to criticize them, or call out their racism, well, then DeSantis and Rufo have a point.
     
  18. Auriaprottu

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    You know why Sounders doesn't really give your posts much weight? I don't, for basically the same reaaon. Toodles!
     
  19. superdave

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    I’m just words on a page, man, and so are both of y’all.

    Is it because I’m always right? I’ll bet that’s why Sounders doesn’t give my posts much weight, because I’m always right. ;)
     
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  20. Sounders78

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    o_O
     
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  21. superdave

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    :);):ROFLMAO:
     
  22. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    :D

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  23. luftmensch

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    So like Lindsay Graham?
     
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  24. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    As a Proddy he'd never be caught dead in the Vatican. But a Falwell hotel room? Hell ya!
     
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