no loss teams winning a league

Discussion in 'Soccer History' started by Heist, Dec 12, 2007.

  1. Heist

    Heist Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I just heard an story on the radio about college football here in America. John Feinstein said that no team ever anywhere has ever not won a championship with despite having no losses.
    I'm sure that with the point system in soccer its totally feasible that a team could have ten wins and ten ties (40 points) and be nowhere near the champion of its league. In 20 games its easy to get over 40 points (13 wins, 5 losses, and 2 ties would get you to 41). Anyway I'm just wondering if anyone knows of a league in which this HAS happened. There's got to be a few times. Certainly in group play in tournaments I'm sure tons of teams have gotten 3 ties, but not progressed to the next phase. Anyone know of any examples of this?
    Thanks
     
  2. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    There's a full list of teams unbeaten in a league tournament available at RSSSF - http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/unbeaten.html with the league position just before the team name.

    The longest tournament with an unbeaten team not winning was the 1985/86 Turkish season with Galatasaray coming second with 20 wins and 16 draws in 36 games. Besiktas won the league on goal difference but lost 2 games.
     
  3. MNAFETSC

    MNAFETSC Member

    Feb 5, 2000
    Blacksburg
    Auburn went undefeated and came in second back in 04-05
     
  4. Heist

    Heist Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sorry, he meant outside of college football. That was the context of his comment. I wanted to email him and tell him he was wrong. Now I have tons of examples to cite, just no way to email him. So few people understand soccer and he's not even known as a soccer hater.
     
  5. Hrvat

    Hrvat New Member

    Mar 27, 2005
    Zagreb, Croatia
    Didn't Arsenal do that three years ago?
     
  6. MNAFETSC

    MNAFETSC Member

    Feb 5, 2000
    Blacksburg
    I think he means teams that went undefeated but managed to still not win the title.
     
  7. Heist

    Heist Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Correct. It seems that there were quite a few from the website the other poster offered.
     
  8. Hrvat

    Hrvat New Member

    Mar 27, 2005
    Zagreb, Croatia
    Yes, I've read the opening post closely now. But the thread title is deceiving.
     
  9. Heist

    Heist Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Virginia
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: no loss teams NOT winning a league

    That is absolutely correct, but I don't know how I can change the thread title...
    I did somehow get the information I wanted though.. :)
     
  10. sidis

    sidis Member

    Jun 2, 2006
    Itaguaí-RJ - Brazil
    Re: no loss teams NOT winning a league

    Brazil in 1978 World Cup
     
  11. Sagy

    Sagy Member

    Aug 6, 2004
    Re: no loss teams NOT winning a league

    Good one.

    If we talk about WC, we can also add:
    2006
    • France (the final is officially a draw)
    • Argentina (eliminated on PKs in 1/4 final)
    • England (eliminated on PKs in 1/4 final)
    • Switzerland (eliminated on PKs in 1/8 final)
    2002
    • Spain (eliminated on PKs in 1/4 final)
    • Rep. of Ireland (eliminated on PKs in 1/8 final)
    1998
    • Italy (eliminated on PKs in 1/4 final)
    • Belgium (3rd in the group stage, three ties)
    1990
    • Italy (eliminated on PKs in 1/2 final, finished 3rd with the best overall record 6:1:0)
    1986
    • Brazil (eliminated on PKs in 1/4 final)
    • Mexico (eliminated on PKs in 1/4 final)
    1982
    • England (2nd in 2nd group stage)
    • Cameron (3rd in group stage, three ties)
    1974
    • Scotland (3rd in group stage, they actually had a win and two ties)

    I couldn't find any before 1974.
     
  12. The Scenester

    The Scenester New Member

    Dec 27, 2007
    Re: no loss teams NOT winning a league

    totally irrelevant but I have a friend whose last name is Sagy.
     

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