No identification with the team!

Discussion in 'Bayern Munich' started by LebenslangGruenWeiss, Apr 1, 2006.

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  1. LebenslangGruenWeiss

    Aug 13, 2004
    Heidelberg
    It's funny to read that all of you guys want new players, or in your opinion "better" players after your team has a draw or a loss. Today it was Köln but it doesn't really matter does it? You guys are not fans of Bayern Munich. You guys are only fans of the "success". That's all.

    Every "Bayern Fan" here on these boards has a list of players he would like to see to get kicked out of the club and another list with players he would like to be signed. And that list changes every week.

    I for once love the players that field up for my team. I love Christian Schulz, Nelson Valdez, Johan Micoud and Frank Baumann etc.. It would break my heart to see Tim Borowski go to Bayern or Ivan Klasnic go to Hamburg. It would even make me sad to see a guy like Daniel Jensen get transfered to Denmark or Amaury Bischoff going to a 2. Bundesliga club. Even though all of these players might have a bad day or two it doesn't mean that I would suggest or even think about getting rid of them. They are part of my team and I cheer for them, no matter what!

    But this attitude "Bayern Fans" - expecially those from overseas - will never understand. Bayern fans are different. There's no identification with players at all. The only thing you crave for is victory. If that goal isn't achieved, all the players are crap all the sudden. So keep swallowing you Neosine and keep thinking about how your beloved future Bayern Dream-team - without all the losers from the current season - will look like. Have fun with it!
     
  2. Bayern4Life

    Bayern4Life Member+

    Aug 22, 2004
    Sorry to tell you but I started supporting Bayern when I was little living in Nürnberg....I've supported my team through many tough times and I will NEVER switch favorite teams.
     
  3. LebenslangGruenWeiss

    Aug 13, 2004
    Heidelberg
    And still many "Bayern-fans" have nothing bettern to do than thinking about which players Hoeness might buy for future successes. The best players are of course from teams that might become a threat for Bayern. i.e. vdV from HSV or Boro from Werder.
     
  4. arthur d

    arthur d Member

    Oct 17, 2004
    Cambridge England
    I agree with this, but it's not *all* Bayern fans here. Unfortunately, lately the quality of posts has been getting worse on the Bayern board, with lots of posters wanting to sell off the whole team including Magath. This really annoys me as well, and I hope for some of the self-proclaimed fans to switch to Chelsea, to be honest.
     
  5. Dead Fingers

    Dead Fingers Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 22, 2004
    St. Paul, Minnesota
    Club:
    Minnesota United FC
    Oh please tell me what a real fan is. :rolleyes:
     
  6. AllReD

    AllReD Member+

    Oct 26, 2005
    @ The Cocaine and Herbal Viagra Expo
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Excuse me for wanting my team to win, if that means getting better players what is you point. Very few players start and finish their career with one team, so where should ur loyalty lie, the team or players that are not quite good enough to meet the objectives laid out by the powers that be.

    Sad to see Ballack go, still then we all wish him the best at Chelski does that mean that we should look for the best for our team. Our forwards are crap should we be happy with them and get our ass kicked every year in the CL, or give them an oppertunity to redeem themselves as we have done while looking at the best alternative.

    just dont see ur point, everybody wants what is best for their team. In the next 4 years all these players u called for WB will most likely be gone, wouldnt you want the best possible replacements for them.:confused:
     
  7. arthur d

    arthur d Member

    Oct 17, 2004
    Cambridge England
    That's a bit over the top though. Klose is a product of the Werder youth team, right? Are you saying that you never think which players from other teams would fit in well with your team? That would be a bit naive maybe?
     
  8. Dead Fingers

    Dead Fingers Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 22, 2004
    St. Paul, Minnesota
    Club:
    Minnesota United FC

    Thank you.
     
  9. arthur d

    arthur d Member

    Oct 17, 2004
    Cambridge England
    You do seem a bit too fast to call Bayern players and Magath crap though. I don't really see you as a Bayern supporter, sorry.
     
  10. AllReD

    AllReD Member+

    Oct 26, 2005
    @ The Cocaine and Herbal Viagra Expo
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    according to the standard we have set for ourselfs, it just not going to happen with this bunch of players that we have. Shoot me if im the only one referring to our forward as crap, and keep in mind when everyone here was asking for the head of Makaay is was one few who stood by him.

    Ask for Magath if not being a supporter on him means that i am not a bayern fan in your eyes that is your problem. Though i am not German or anything close to it, from the time i have started watching football for some reason i have being a fan of the National Team. It was in 1997 we started getting converage of the BL and ive watched and admired bayern ever sence. Unlike most people i dont have a second favorite team. when i watch two teams besides bayern i dont route for anyone, well i do really hate Real, but im sure u get my point.
    I buy my Jerseys direct from the Bayern shop in and effort to support them to play my little part even it is much more expensive for me living on this side of the world.
    SO Arthur D if i need to send my formal application to you so that i may become a Bayern fan and so i may be free to blast Magath when i feel like, give me a email address so i can forward my application to u.

    Sincerly
    A WANNA BE BAYERN FAN
     
  11. arthur d

    arthur d Member

    Oct 17, 2004
    Cambridge England

    Yeah sorry. I was a bit harsh. I don't really have any 'right' to support Bayern either, as I am from a non-football town 500km away from Munich. I grew up heavily influenced by the Germany 1974 WC win, and when I was a child, I admired the Bayern players who played an important role. We used to mimick them when we played as children... I used to be quite good in goal so I was always the Sepp Maier on the team. My best friend was Beckenbauer, etc. Since then, I have liked Bayern, and I remember being devastated when Rummenigge left for Italy (a foreign country?? wtf!), etc. But to get to the point, I have never wanted anyone to leave. Of course, it's very frustrating when things don't go well, but don't you feel connected to the players or the coach at all? I mean, what do you support in the end, it's about the people, right? Or is it the logo, or really just the success? I don't really see where you are coming from.
     
  12. AllReD

    AllReD Member+

    Oct 26, 2005
    @ The Cocaine and Herbal Viagra Expo
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I can speak for myself, i dont think anyone has cursed more than me for Ballack deciding to move on, for crying out loud ive got 3 NO.13 Jerseys :D :( . But i think what that has done for me is made be realise that life goes on and i can fall back on when Elber left and Effe went into the sunset. I felt like Bayern would never be the same.
    Yes i feel the connection with the players, if u look at all my most i have never asked for one player to be traded, though i will be the first to admit i dont think some of them are up to par.

    Magath is another story i have never bought into his THING (whatever it is).
    And believe me i leave a few miles from South America and i can tell im i am like the only bayern fan, so i have a lot of defending to do when things like the MILAN ASS WHOPPING happens. (on that note i dont know what im gonna say yet for the WC, its not lookin too good :( )

    But no hard feelings, i just dont like it when some of US acuse other people of not being fans.
     
  13. arthur d

    arthur d Member

    Oct 17, 2004
    Cambridge England
    Ok fair enough. I am quite a big fan of Hitzfeld actually and was sad to see him leave, and I thought Uli pushing for Magath was a bit naive given that his success with VfB was based on very different conditions than what he would find at Bayern. But yeah, he's there now, and has done some good things, so give him some more time.

    BTW Makaay seems to be getting out of his slump, so that's nice to see.
     
  14. NUFCBayern

    NUFCBayern Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 9, 2004
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    You make a somewhat good point. I've noticed a lot of b*tching about current players and coaches, even though we're in first. At one point it almost became ridiculous. I, however, have not been complaining. Neither have several other of my fellow foreign BS members. Therefore you should watch your mouth when you decide to generalize all foreign Bayern fans as the same.

    Also, what is your reason for starting this thread? It really is pathetic how often you've complained about Bayern fans. Do you need to feel better about yourself? Stick to your own Werder thread, or change your name to LebenslangJammerer.
     
  15. ForeverRed

    ForeverRed Member+

    Aug 18, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Come on man, you're full of it....you are generalizing every bayern fan and its not true. How do you know how everyone feels about the team just by what you read? Bayern is not like any other Bundesliga club and you know that. That is exactly why we can ask for players like we do.....why do you think no other german team is really pinned to win the CL besides bayern and even that is fading.
     
  16. AllReD

    AllReD Member+

    Oct 26, 2005
    @ The Cocaine and Herbal Viagra Expo
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Man close this damn thread, this is just going to get people all up in arms around here.


    FR back to the magath topic, i could use some convincing, can some of you help me to get on board this train because for the life im not buying in to this Magath vibes. We look like the same Bayern on 2-3 years ago.

    Although in all fairness and i am trying to be, hes basically playing with the old Hitzfeld team, so maybe i can stop bitching for 1 year until we get some new blood. Then i suppose the he would need time to have to his new team working how he wants it.
    I guess we're stuck with him for atleast 2 more years.
    (Im trying to convince myself)
     
  17. baka_tenshi

    baka_tenshi New Member

    Mar 31, 2006
    Down Under
    Well, not to forget that we cheers on the club.
    That's what make us difference from those Ronaldo' fans or Beckham fans. (no hard feeling just example ppl)

    Being that way, of course we always want the best to happen to our team right?
    Players can change but Bayern will always be Bayern. I know it's harsh to point at some players for our failure, but at the end if they really love this club, they should give it all their best right, but most of the time (again and again) they lack the determination on the field. I guess that's what make some of us really pissed.

    Again, if they give all their best on the field, no one would blame them for their failure.
     
  18. SirManchester

    SirManchester Member+

    Apr 14, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Pretty strong accusation going around. I suppose since the late 70's and Bayern's rise as Germany's most prominent club, there's also a certain amount of success that comes with it and Bayern fans have that instilled in them no matter what. I'm not saying it's right, hell, I hate gloryhunters and bandwagoners, the harsh truth is some fans want success so bad, they don't care whether or not its at the cost of the very players that have played their butts off for them for so long.
    I for one would be crushed to see the likes of Kahn, Sagnol, Liza, Jeremies, Brazzo, Makaay, Ballack go.
     
  19. makkay

    makkay Member

    Sep 5, 2005
    hahahahahahahahahahaha this is one of the stupidest posts i have ever seen.
    correct me if i am wrong don't you have other bremen related issues or problems you should be thinking or worried about. maybe you are not a werder fan. maybe you are a bayern fan. shiit i don't know what you are.
    let me tell you what a bayern fan means it means a bayern fan not a magath fan, not a ballack fan, you get my point.
    of course we feel close to the players and we like them but only because they play for bayern. i love ballack right now, but if on july first he is playing for another team he will be just like a player of another team. now there are players like liza, willy, scholl, jeremis, elber, effe, kahn, muller and the list goes on and on. these are players we will always love.
    every bayern fan can say what he wants on this board. i don't agree with a lot of it but i respect it because all our goals are the same and that is the best for the club.
    one more thing. is it just me or do other german fans think more about bayern than their own teams. shiit stop with all the jealousy. you should get it by now. we don't care what others say. btw bayern will always be the best in germany. in yo face biatch
     
  20. snoooop

    snoooop Red Card

    Jul 16, 2005
    i am born in munich, i am at 95% of all Homegames in the stadium, i was between 1992 and 2004 at the most awaygames from bayern, also in the most EU-Cup games.
    and i say kick the azz of some players because ive seen players like Matthäus and when i see today some of our players..this is just pervers man, they dont give ALL for the team they dont fight and some of them have no identification with the Club, they are just here for the money and not with the heart.
    some of them are more interested in their hairs as in playing good football and when you are in the stadium and see that you become very angry.

    it has nothing to do with the game against Köln, it was the way we played, Bayern can loose or draw, but not on this way.
    every player can have a bad day or can feel bad, ok, but the other 10 players must show that they want to win. if you do everything for an victory and you loose, it is ok, but those alibi-players, i cant see them anymore and a lot of other people, too.
     
  21. Duncan Idaho

    Duncan Idaho Member+

    Aug 19, 2005
    Germany
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Sorry. guys but I won't give an to such nonsense (see starting post)
     
  22. AllReD

    AllReD Member+

    Oct 26, 2005
    @ The Cocaine and Herbal Viagra Expo
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Just close this freaking thread, it doesnt make any sense.

    Lets talk about Magath :D
     
  23. Dead Fingers

    Dead Fingers Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 22, 2004
    St. Paul, Minnesota
    Club:
    Minnesota United FC
    nah..People can talk about why they like Bayern and what they like best about the team. If people are civil about it. I think it's good and healthy.

    :)
     
  24. Vfbstuttgartfan

    Aug 3, 2004
    Stuttgart
    Club:
    VfB Stuttgart
    My two cents here are that 50% of the posters in the Germany forums are Bayern fans. Out of 18 teams in the BL and all the lower division teams, still 50% of the board supports this side. This is not just a coincidence that all of you were attracted somehow or other to this side for reasons BESIDES just success.

    Obviously i don't speak against all the Bayern fans, there are quite a few who i consider some of the most respectable posters on BigSoccer, however there are also quite a few who i would consider, well, "fake". I won't mention names though.

    As for Magath i don't see what's wrong with him. He's achieved mroe success in his first two seasons at the club than Hitzfeld did...i dislike Magath for how he left VfB, but he's been solid at Bayern - and this is coming from someone who wanted him to completely fail.
     
  25. Dead Fingers

    Dead Fingers Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 22, 2004
    St. Paul, Minnesota
    Club:
    Minnesota United FC
    yeah..I am not sure where the anti-Magath fever comes from? We are on par to win a second double. Could we be playing better?...I think so. But I am not one to "simply dispense" w/ Magath as the problem.
     

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