Hmmm. You'd think the Burn would have made sure that all the required permits had been issued before signing a lease with Carroll ISD.
"He said he has concerns about the soccer crowds, such as whether fans will drink alcohol during pre-game parties. Alcohol sales are banned at the stadium, and the Burn has not applied for permission to sell alcohol. Also, Southlake's DPS wants time to study traffic patterns and crowd behavior during previous Burn games at the Cotton Bowl" Let the provincialism begin! I guess the honeymoon is over. Possibly most significant is the rejection of the request to "extend operating hours." Does this mean that we will be playing afternoon games every week?
Who knows what it means. Hopefully one of the papers will do some digging into what the present zoning regs are for the stadium and how they might affect the Burn.
I was reading the article provided and it sounds like typical locals - a bunch of hyprocrites. They are concerned about alcohol, etc. from soccer crowds, but aren't concerned with overflow crowd when the high school team plays - and the havoc (traffic problems, deliquency, etc.) caused after most of those games.
The Burn have been saying the capacity of Dragon Stadium will be about 12,000 for this season. But it looks to me as though it might be considerably less even if they win their appeal with the City Council. According to the article, "The Southlake Planning and Zoning Commission voted 6-0 Thursday to reject a request by Carroll school district officials to extend the stadium's operating hours and to add 2,020 bleacher seats to the 7,500-seat facility." Now 7,500 + 2,020 = 9,520, so how do we get to 12,000 from that? For sellout games are 2,500 fans supposed to sit or stand in some of the open areas surrounding the field?
What a bunch of idiots. I thought money solved everyone's problems. Oh well and as far as the locals go, I don't remember seeing too many housing areas. If they are so concerned with traffic here is the simple solution:Geta valet company to park the cars. That way the locals can't complain about the parking and the noise created by it. Still there is more noise at a football game than a soccer game.
this all sounds so, so reminiscent of what the Fire went through in Naperville last year. The locals will eventually get over it, things will work out for the most part, but believe me, by the end of the season you'll be reminiscing about the good ol days at the Cotton Bowl. I was one of the biggest bashers of Soldier Field and now I can't wait to get back there. The whole no booze, plastic pitch, bleachers, suburban thing becomes a big drain after a while. At least you've got your own stadium to look forward to (hopefully).
More info on the Dragon Stadium situation from the FW Star Telegram: "The Southlake City Council will meet again March 4 and would need six of its seven members to vote in favor of overruling the planning and zoning recommendation." http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/5239467.htm Let's keep our fingers crossed. Hopefully HSG and Carroll ISD will be proactive and have an action plan to address Southlake's concerns over parking.
This is going to be cryptic, and hopefully, if all goes well in the near future, translation of certain parts will occur spontaneously. A closed circle of adepts at the top of the inferno food chain, as well as the key individual fronting DSLP to the public, and members of the topica listserv, are aware of the predictions of yokel factor that would become manifest. "The truth" which the naysayers were told to accept is actually not in fact "the truth". As predicted. However, the carriers of that message are not guilty, for they lacked the critical constant; do not hold them responsible; they were, as they must, doing what they felt they needed to do with the information they had. And those who gave them that information had no reason to assume the information being propagated was _not_ true. The disruption and consternation caused by, well, me, falls in the same category: I did what I felt I had to do, and said what I felt I had to say, based on the information I possessed. As our fearless leader said to me on the phone the other day, paraphrased, “making false assumptions is the outcome when assessing false data.” My counterpoint was that humans, like HAL, are going to make assumptions regardless of the quality of the data with which they are/were programmed. Thus, the key learning for all is an absence of evidence does not equal and evidence of absence. But that is now in the past. We’re in the same boat together now. An Ark of Soccer Survival. Will the rainbow soon appear? The only constant which will remain, regardless of the outcome of the "dispute", is the ethnocentric 1st-circuit reality tunnel that SLPD *must* manifest to auto-justify their self-same existence. Wherever Helm's Deep ends up at Dragon Stadium, you can be certain said denizens will be under the microscope; the ethnocentric yokel factor *needs* trouble from said denizens to validate their yokel reality tunnel. Instead, we should give them Military Proficiency, Professional Paradigm, and Black-Op Execution that will collapse their brains. [cryptic.off] In that vein, one gambit for all infernites: even if it's "legal", drinking anywhere west of the airport is a risk, before or after the game in Burn Gear. I have maintained this all along, and will continue to do so. Personally, I intend to maintain 100% sobriety west of the airport for the duration of our “stay”. [cryptic.on] And if all goes well, and the rainbow does appear, then preparations may begin for additional, tunnel-collapsing operations west of the airport. The provincials are transparent in their chicanery: they do not possess nor can they acquire the non-existent FairPark ingress/egress video, datastreams, metrics, througput flows, or pattern analysis capability. They possess no data, media, or equations that would allow study of “behavior” at Fair Park, as said artifacts are not extant. They profess a desire to conduct Science, but do not understand the quality of their opposition. Like Sauron, they cast their vision to the horizon, while the solution lies on their own borders. Infernal #2, and DSLP #2, both know what the ingress/egress solution is: combo grapevine/southlake manual control of the 5-way 114/southlake boulevard intersection complex. Deploying 3 teams of 2 men each for 90 minutes before kickoff to take manual control of said intersection complex and it’s anti-timed throughput disadvantaging light sequence will increase ingress efficiency by an estimated 900% at that intersection alone, and combined with 26 access, facilitate movement bandwidth for 4000 operations per hour through the two combined chokepoints. Ingress solved. The egress requires only one team deployed at the outbound 26 chokepoint. The southlake/114 anti-timed infrastructure problem only exists north/westbound, not east/southbound, and hence is only an ingress problem, not requiring resources for post-game egress resolution. The provincials need to conduct a study to understand their own infrastructure? Dumbasses. We see through them, we see their motives, and forsee their inability to execute. However, the best thing we can do now is go quiet. All fellow Black Operators should henceforth treat our stay in Tarrant County as “Fun and Games”, and avoid the key failure of the first attempt in DC by Project Mayhem: we must get dark, bet black, get off the boards, get off the mailing lists, for all discussions not related to on-pitch matters. It’s likely that the topica listserv has been compromised, and here on the bigboard, one’s thoughts are obviously available to the world. All discussion boards, even those with password access, are a risk. Peer-to-peer email is the only safe venue. Welcome to Helm’s Deep. Have a nice stay.
um...er... ok. no.... um.. problem? Is this thing on? Check... Check... Can anyone bable fish that for me? You my friend have just won the award for the most convoluted post of all time.
Ok, my interpretation: We shouldn't make assumptions since we don't have all the facts. My take on this whole thing: Small town politics. I wouldn't worry, this will get done becuase it means $$ for SL.
Black Helicopters were not 'black' in the beginning. But, perception is 9/10th's of reality, so, when added to a glass of paranoia, we have... Fear.
Actually, Black Helicopters _have_ always been black. Perception is only 1/10th of reality. And you can't bottle paranoia. Which leaves us with not just fear, but Fear AND Loathing. -imn
Remember that when most Americans hear the word soccer, all that comes to mind are the words hooligan and riot. And also remember, in Texas, pointy ball is a religion. Bringing pro soccer to one of their high school stadiums is kinda like the Baptists asking the Mormon Church if they can set up a revival tent in Mormon Square in Salt Lake for a few months. Sorta..
oh yea and I was also wondering, where are many of the Inferno going to sit in the games. I was planning on getting some seaon tix and I dont know where to sit. Thanks.
Not bad Wolves67. Close, very close. However, I would offer the following corrollary: If bringing Soccer to Southlake is like the Baptists pitching a tent at 50 West North Temple, then the Inferno represents a Sub-Genius Clench spontaneously annexing Mountain Meadows for the State of Arkansas. Cazart. -imn
SLC is suburbia. A demographic study may show that 'soccer mom' is a serious statistic there. There's an argument that soccer mom is the targeted market for future MLS growth. If this is the case, then your European-like-passionate-fan is a minor consideration and not to be fretted over. If a GA section attracts the targeted market, then it will probably be built. Black Helicopters can incite fear into the minds of soccer mom. Seating, 7,500.