NISA (New NASL-allied D3 league) Mega-Thread

Discussion in 'NASL' started by oneeyedfool, Jun 6, 2017.

  1. MLSinCleveland

    MLSinCleveland Member+

    Oct 12, 2006
    Cleveland, Ohio
    Club:
    Cleveland C. S.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ABA of soccer
     
  2. canammj

    canammj Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    CHINO, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    ABA was better, they had common sense to get some teams to NBA
    NASL-NISA never learned that lesson
    Truthfully, the way NISA is running the last couple teams, if they suddenly wanted to join USL-1 or USL-2, I would hope USL would think twice about accepting team.
     
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  3. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Minnesota and Montreal joined MLS.

    Tampa Bay and North Carolina applied.

    Miami and the Cosmos tried to sue their way in.

    The lesson they should have learned from ABA and AFL was that being a financial and sporting success is a prerequisite.
     
  4. MLSinCleveland

    MLSinCleveland Member+

    Oct 12, 2006
    Cleveland, Ohio
    Club:
    Cleveland C. S.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm referring to the modern-day ABA, which is a trainwreck.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Basketball_Association_(2000–present)
     
  5. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Tampa, Carolina and Miami went to the USL-C. The Cosmos went to Court......
     
  6. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Silva sued. Tampa, and NC put in MLS expansion bids.

    They are in USLC because there was nowhere else.
     
  7. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is he still part of the NASL lawsuit?
     
  8. Stuart95

    Stuart95 Member+

    Mar 11, 2012
    NoVA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think by that point the owner of Tampa Bay was also keeping Ft Lauderdale afloat. Also, don't forget that the last NASL Champions, the SF Deltas, came in bandying tech-bro-isms and in the end berated their own fans for not doing enough to grow the team.

    It looks like NISA is circling the drain now as well. Hopefully any remaining stable clubs can join USL.
     
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  9. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought they lost.
     
  10. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  11. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  12. Doogh

    Doogh Member+

    Oct 5, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Tomorrow marks one month since Arizona Monsoon played a regular season match. They were supposed to play their last home match of the season against Irvine this Sunday, the match is now cancelled with Arizona forfeiting. The players haven't been paid for months. The team stopped training weeks, months ago.

    Amassing an impressive zero wins, 1 draw and 12 losses with a -26 (or -29 I guess) goal differential, they are the second American lower division soccer team to have a winless season from the modern era - after Antigua Barracuda FC of then USL Pro in 2023.

    Can they just pull the plug on NISA already?
     
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  13. Fugitivo

    Fugitivo New Member

    Sacramento Republic FC
    Oct 18, 2017
    Midland, TX
    Well, there's a NEW league in town. The new league is called The League for Clubs - a "new home for the innovators, entrepreneurs, and builders in American soccer."
     
  14. MLSinCleveland

    MLSinCleveland Member+

    Oct 12, 2006
    Cleveland, Ohio
    Club:
    Cleveland C. S.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's a challenger to the NPSL, not NISA, IIRC.
     
  15. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They want to build a pro league(s) from the bottom up, which is somewhat näive considering what NASL, NPSL Pro and NISA have experienced.

    I think USSF sanctioned regional "D4" pro leagues is the way to go though.
     
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  16. Doogh

    Doogh Member+

    Oct 5, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We have D3 leagues that are barely hanging on by a thread or trying to build out their structure.

    Let's hold the breaks on a hypothetical Division 4.
     
  17. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Regional rather than national being the key to keeping costs down.
     
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  18. Doogh

    Doogh Member+

    Oct 5, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In which you add regional conferences, MLS Next Pro has done a decent job at that and what USL League One will do once they expand.
     
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  19. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Some costs.

    The jump from amateur to pro - even low pro - is big. It's not just travel.

    Why we're obsessed with lowering the bar so that every podunk burg can say it has a "pro" team is beyond me. If you choose to live in BFE, good on ya. But you're not entitled to have a pro anything.
     
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  20. MLSinCleveland

    MLSinCleveland Member+

    Oct 12, 2006
    Cleveland, Ohio
    Club:
    Cleveland C. S.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Also, the bar to be pro is higher in soccer than baseball (the measuring stick most use in regard to minor pro sports) because there's no system of out-of-market farm teams where MLS is footing the player and soccer staff payroll.
     
  21. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not anymore. USL put that horse out to pasture a few years ago.
     
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  22. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't see why a professional third division needs to be national but given that USSF has decided that it is a criterion then I'm talking specifically about regional professional leagues.

    If you look at the history of most leagues in the US and beyond, they developed strong regional ties before expanding nationally.

    That need for a national footprint has repeatedly proven to be roadblock to organic growth of a professional league.
     
  23. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    DIII does not have to be national according to the PLS. DI has to have teams in the Eastern, Central, and Pacific time zone. DII has to be in all of those time zones by the 6th year of play. There is no geographic standard for DIII.

    https://www.ussoccer.com/organization-members-directory/pro-league-standards


     
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  24. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're right. That's my mistake. So why is NISA pushing for a Pacific time zone presence when there are only two competitive teams?
     
  25. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

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