NISA (New NASL-allied D3 league) Mega-Thread

Discussion in 'NASL' started by oneeyedfool, Jun 6, 2017.

  1. Sporting Real

    Sporting Real Member+

    Jun 29, 2011
    Kansas City
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    From what I can tell on the Club 9 website, it's as connector/broker.
     
  2. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not understanding it either. They'd have to sell one of the teams if the end up with 2 playing in the same league correct?
     
  3. Fracas

    Fracas Member

    Jun 20, 2015
    Tulsa, OK USA
    Why would that be?
    Is there a stipulation against owning more than one team in a league?
     
  4. Sporting Real

    Sporting Real Member+

    Jun 29, 2011
    Kansas City
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes
     
  5. Fracas

    Fracas Member

    Jun 20, 2015
    Tulsa, OK USA
    Ok
    Gotcha
     
  6. Blando13

    Blando13 Member+

    Dec 4, 2013
    Lee's Summit, MO
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Someone suggested that a move to NASL isn't a bad thing if they keep the level of attendance ... I'm asking the question because I want to know "why would you if you're just adding costs and not increasing revenue via attendance?".

    Maybe sponsorships/corporate money start rolling in due to being in a professional league ... I don't know.
     
  7. annapolis

    annapolis Member

    Jul 3, 2001
    More games.
     
  8. oneeyedfool

    oneeyedfool Member+

    Nov 17, 2012
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Club 9 is helping the clubs find investors, so more akin to your broker comparison than the Anschutz one.
     
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  9. oneeyedfool

    oneeyedfool Member+

    Nov 17, 2012
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You are increasing revenue by moving from NPSL to NISA or NASL because you have more home games and can charge more for tickets. You are also going to be more appealing to sponsors. Now you are also increasing expenses at a greater scale than the revenue increase very likely, so you are reducing your margins. This is part of why you may need an outside investor to help underwrite it, more so in NASL than NISA. (That and the USSF requires it.)

    It's not for everyone, but in DCFC's case they have a rabid fan base that has been growing at a nicely compounding rate since inception. They are getting closer to selling out their stadium, with no viable stadium option for the next step, so charging more and having more dates makes sense. Their supporters group is excited for a pro team, and the owners appear to be more interested in stewarding the project to the next level for the community than maxing out profits from it on an individual basis. DCFC came out of a community soccer project and the owners retain that spirit about it.
     
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  10. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And more road games.

    Detroit City left the state of Michigan exactly twice this season.

    That ain't happening in the NASL.
     
  11. pieper1850

    pieper1850 Member

    Jan 15, 2016
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Someone should ask Andy David how the Torrent handled the travel to MI for nearly every away game.
    It didn't appear to bankrupt them.
     
  12. pieper1850

    pieper1850 Member

    Jan 15, 2016
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Also remember they pay their players (granted not a lot) and don't collect gate money or concessions only season tickets and merch.
     
  13. CFLRowdiesFan

    CFLRowdiesFan Member

    Sep 22, 2016
    Details, details...
     
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  14. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh, jeez.

    Wisconsin to Michigan.

    Yes, completely the same as Detroit to Edmonton, San Francisco, Miami, Jacksonville, New York, San Diego, Orange County and other ports of call.

    If you can't see that Detroit, by its own admission, only made a profit because of having all those home playoff games (fueled by unpaid players), and how different their expense line would be by adding flights and hotel and ground transportation for twice as many road games plus player wages plus a more robust front office as required by USSF standards plus payroll taxes plus workers compensation, even WITH a handful of more home games, we can't have a conversation.
     
  15. SteveUSSF_ref8

    United States
    Oct 25, 2010
    Menifee, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I light of the NASL sanctioning announcement from the USSF. I wonder if the new NASL expansion clubs in San Diego and Orange County will opted out of the NASL and into the NISA instead.
     
  16. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It'll be up to their ownership groups I'd imagine. They are the ones who have to do the opting out. And if they do they could technically try to jump to any league. USL likely isn't an option for OC given USL already having an OC team. But I can't imagine the San Diego group and USL won't take a second look at each other after they took a first look in the run up to the SD group going to NASL. And rightly so, the SD team needs to be D2 I'd think if they hope to have a shot.
     
  17. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here's the thing: assuming you have a choice (and, as mentioned above, Orange County may very well not have one), why would you take a flier on a league that doesn't actually currently exists versus the one that has basically won the war?

    The NISA came about because of a void in the D3 space, with promises of pro/rel with a D2 league that may no longer exist. Depending on how the NASL chooses to play it, there may no longer be such a void, and some of their clubs are at least strong enough to handle a reclassification.

    More interesting to me is what Detroit chooses to do now. They may find - as Charleston did - that a safe place is a good place for now, as they have no real imperative to move up one or two levels.
     
  18. pieper1850

    pieper1850 Member

    Jan 15, 2016
    Club:
    Chicago Fire


    The combined NISA and NASL with possible additions of Detroit and NOLA looks like a decent league.
    Arizona in the NISA always looked lonely out west but if you combine it with the California clubs it kinda makes sense.
    When you add in the other LOI Wilt has mentioned it could be the start of something great. Use a combined league to strengthen the clubs and 2-3 years down we might see promotion to a new D2 with clubs that meet the standards without waivers.
     
  19. amancalledmikey

    Oct 27, 2003
    I have a bindle at this point...
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Given how the D2 standards have been a noose around the NASL neck, perhaps accepting a move to D3, throwing their lot in with NISA and then reestablishing themselves as D2 at a later date might be for the best.
     
  20. Fracas

    Fracas Member

    Jun 20, 2015
    Tulsa, OK USA
    I agree
    At least a scheduled play association if not a merger
     
  21. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's a cute pipe dream map, but it ignores reality. North Carolina is in advanced talks to USL, so they're gone. SF Deltas won't survive the calendar year so they're gone. Edmonton is very likely gone to CPL.
     
  22. Baysider

    Baysider Member+

    Jul 16, 2004
    Santa Monica
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    USL D3 smells blood. Running a twitter campaign including an AMA today.

    https://twitter.com/USL_D3

    Not very informative but says 3 regional conferences with 30-40 teams is the goal
     
  23. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't blame them. NASL dies, and they find a way to kill NISA before it gets off the ground and USL now controls D2 and D3 again, and are partnered with MLS who controls D1. We might finally get US soccer under one roof like the other pro sports so they can move forward.
     
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  24. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Sunny San Diego
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is kind of what I'm hoping for. I would like to see all of the NASL team move to USL, yes including the Deltas, Cosmos and Miami. As well as all of the cities/teams talking to NISA moving to USL D3.
     
  25. amancalledmikey

    Oct 27, 2003
    I have a bindle at this point...
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Why would it be a good thing to have a opaque, third party-owned league like USL control everything? I'm not saying that having a unified front might not have advantages.
     

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