NISA (New NASL-allied D3 league) Mega-Thread

Discussion in 'NASL' started by oneeyedfool, Jun 6, 2017.

  1. CFLRowdiesFan

    CFLRowdiesFan Member

    Sep 22, 2016
    I read somewhere that the Phoenix NPSL club draws roughly 1700/game. Do you know if that's true? That wouldn't seem to match the standards that Peter Wilt was looking for, but their owner has been talking about moving up since he founded the club, so there's that.

    The Detroit non-announcement surprised me a bit, but I think it lends some credence to the rumors about Detroit going to the NASL next season. Of course, they could also stay where they're at and shoot for 2019. To me, that seems that the least likely scenario.
     
  2. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #127 kenntomasch, Aug 30, 2017
    Last edited: Aug 30, 2017
    My numbers - which are missing three data points, though I have asked repeatedly - have them at 1,707 announced.

    And, yes, he's been talking about a lot of things. Given this market's checkered past (until very recently) with club teams, I think it's premature to believe it can support a D2 and a D3 team adequately, regardless of the size of the market and regardless of any distance between them.

    Now, this year, obviously, they co-existed. But the NPSL team can make it on 1,700 a game with their players and close travel by bus. Fully pro would be a whole 'nother deal, especially with the other seven markets they'd be traveling to. (And PRFC's stadium experience should be better next year. And it isn't still a bazillion degrees here in the summer.)

    I don't know what else they have to prove in the NPSL. (Except that they can't win the league, ba doom boom.) Now, maybe they could get 5,367 a game in the NASL, which would obviously put them in the upper half of the league. (Would it be "grassroots," though? Or is that anything that isn't MLS or the USL?)

    But if they have ruled out the NISA for 2018, that seems telling. Either they are not bullish on the league itself or have even higher aspirations.
     
  3. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I didn't even think about that... as someone who cares far more about MLS than some lower division team that will likely be gone in a few years, that's the silver lining here, no generic Miami FC or Miami United FC name in MLS!

    I'm still holding out hope for Inter Miami
    [​IMG]
     
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  4. chris570

    chris570 Member

    Sep 27, 2014
    Club:
    Pittsburgh Riverhounds
    So is there some other group in Chattanooga then? If not, then how trustworthy is this list?

     
  5. CFLRowdiesFan

    CFLRowdiesFan Member

    Sep 22, 2016
    Soccer Round Table is now reporting that Chattanooga FC will have teams in BOTH leagues. The NISA stuff had also been reported by the club's supporters group earlier today.
     
  6. CFLRowdiesFan

    CFLRowdiesFan Member

    Sep 22, 2016
    BUT....in an earlier Tweet, the club's co-founder seemed to deny that the club was the group mentioned in the NISA release.

    My head hurts...
     
  7. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Those are applications, not confirmed teams.
     
  8. Sporting Real

    Sporting Real Member+

    Jun 29, 2011
    Kansas City
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    From what I've heard, they've got investors lined up, but they might be more interested in going straight to NASL rather than NISA. One of the wild scenarios is that NASL actually adds some combo of Atlanta and Detroit/New Orleans for Fall 2018.

    Actually, something kind of similar in Grand Rapids. investor on board, want's to go pro ASAP, talked to USL D3 and NISA, just waiting to see what happens now. DCFC could also be doing something similar.
     
  9. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Like economists who have predicted twelve of the last five recessions, if you've been around long enough, you've heard probably 6 times the number of people claiming they were founding pro teams actually found pro teams.
     
  10. Blando13

    Blando13 Member+

    Dec 4, 2013
    Lee's Summit, MO
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Financially speaking ... is it better to get 5635/game while paying your players in the NASL (on top of league fees and expansion fees) or keep doing the 5635 attendance while NOT paying your players and making a profit (at least I heard they were). Maybe it's not simply economics ... I don't know.
     
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  11. Blando13

    Blando13 Member+

    Dec 4, 2013
    Lee's Summit, MO
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Omaha is also still "looking for a lead investor" ... so they're so very close!
     
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  12. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wait... they applied for the league before they even had a lead investor?
     
  13. Blando13

    Blando13 Member+

    Dec 4, 2013
    Lee's Summit, MO
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  14. Sporting Real

    Sporting Real Member+

    Jun 29, 2011
    Kansas City
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I had a worry like this about Charlotte, but it appears NISA teams are be launched like this:
    • Interested party applies for a team
    • Interested party vetted by NISA
    • NISA passes info to Club 9
    • Club 9 connects local ownership with investor(s)
    I'm getting this from the Midfield Press article on Charlotte FC.

    "Using Club 9’s private investors, Charlotte FC will meet the 35% ownership criteria of $10 million dollars, but a substantial percentage (the specific amount is estimated to be between 10% and 15%) will belong to the Supporter’s Trust."

    Article link: http://midfieldpress.com/2017/08/31...sa-charlotte-fc-brings-ownership-to-the-fans/

    Sounds a lot like what happens in everyday business. Create a concept, a firm helps you get investors, and you launch.
     
  15. Lewis N. Clark

    Jul 1, 2014
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    (This post is a duplicate of one I just posted at the USL-Omaha thread)

    When I saw the list of 8 teams obviously 4 were in cities that already have d-2 teams. My initial reaction was, "What? Isn't hard enough to launch a pro-soccer team already without trying to enter a market that already has a competing organization up and running??"

    I found an interesting quote from Peter Wilt at Midfield Press addressing this:
    “In each case we believe that a separate, sustainable audience can be developed due to geography, demographics and/or effective business operations. Long term we recognize that our goal of promotion and relegation will result in multiple teams in the same market, so we won’t shy away from it now.”

    http://midfieldpress.com/2017/08/30...-initial-batch-of-nisa-pro-soccer-applicants/

    The CEO of MiamiFC tweeted yesterday:
    "Great news from our neighbors! Looking forward to working together under the right model"
    (Of course MiamiFC's owner is "pro" pro-rel.)

    *note: is it time for Big Soccer to start an NISA board or maybe a d-3 board?

     
  16. When Saturday Comes

    Apr 9, 2012
    Calgary
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    What the NASL expansion and league fees approx?
     
  17. Baysider

    Baysider Member+

    Jul 16, 2004
    Santa Monica
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    That's a very interesting model. I'm surprised that there are people who want to be investors in a team without being the motivating factor for the team. Sure, it's how it works for established companies, but this sounds like a start-up incubator for soccer teams and if I were an early investor, I'd want to be involved in things. These aren't turn-key operations.
     
  18. Sporting Real

    Sporting Real Member+

    Jun 29, 2011
    Kansas City
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have no idea how involved investors will or won't be. Guess we'll find out
     
  19. Blando13

    Blando13 Member+

    Dec 4, 2013
    Lee's Summit, MO
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And if this is the way it's being done. I'd want to know a lot more about the "Club 9 private investors" before I'd actually put down any money in the "Supporter's Trust".
     
  20. Blando13

    Blando13 Member+

    Dec 4, 2013
    Lee's Summit, MO
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No clue, but low ... but any expansion fee for DCFC would be more than what they have by staying in NPSL. I can't imagine NISA having a lower yearly operating fee than the NPSL but I could be wrong.
     
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  21. Fracas

    Fracas Member

    Jun 20, 2015
    Tulsa, OK USA
    I wonder if NISA - NASL pro/ref would be easier or required by having one owner with a NISA team(s) and a NASL team indifferent market so that the infrastructure for promotion to nasl would be in placed already. This would also allow cross marketing over several markets/geography.
     
  22. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #147 kenntomasch, Aug 31, 2017
    Last edited: Aug 31, 2017
    So, wait, Club 9 is going to act as a sort of mini-Anschutz and prop up investment groups to get them to eight? (Or are they just going to act as a broker/connector?)

    Would not be the first time (obviously) and it's not at all a bad strategy. But it does kind of run contrary to this notion of widespread genuine interest in shouldering the costs of running a D3 team all of a sudden.

    If (and, again, if I am reading that correctly) they are going to subsidize investors, okay. (Would that pass muster with USSF standards, though?) But that sounds tenuous.
     
  23. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am not understanding how the mere fact of dual-level ownership makes pro/rel easier. If anything, you would wind up with one owner owning two teams at the same level.

    And how can you cross-market if you own a team in, say, Jacksonville and another in, say, Omaha?
     
  24. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are you asking if it's better to make money or to NOT make money?

    They are on record as saying they made a profit this year because of the playoff run.
     
  25. Fracas

    Fracas Member

    Jun 20, 2015
    Tulsa, OK USA
    1, business management infrastructure. If you have one at each level it makes it easier if one slip as one advanced, or even have both at same level
    2, better if Omaha and St. Louis than Jacksonville
     

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