NISA (New NASL-allied D3 league) Mega-Thread

Discussion in 'NASL' started by oneeyedfool, Jun 6, 2017.

  1. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's so funny how people with zero skin in the game want all the Bs and IIs to go to Division III for aesthetic reasons.

    When the people footing the bill for said teams may actually want those players exposed to a higher level of competition, and to hell with your aesthetics.
     
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  2. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I still find it hilarious that the same people that want things like Europe want MLS 2 teams to be abolished.
     
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  3. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When these folks say “Europe” they really mean England. If the6 looked at other D2 leagues in Europe they would notice that many of them do in fact have B and II teams in them......Spain in particular. Germany does not allow them past the regional leagues. England doesn’t have any, which might explain why player development is seemingly quite low on the priority list for many pro teams in England.....
     
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  4. Strikermansteve

    Feb 10, 2012
    Club:
    Ft Lauderdale Strikers
    When is the ruling coming out about NASL's D2 status?!
     
  5. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Only the Court knows for sure.
     
  6. SteveUSSF_ref8

    United States
    Oct 25, 2010
    Sun City, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The latest word from NISA Peter Wilt, if NASL appeal fails, NISA-II will start play in Fall 2018 with 8 teams. (6 former NASL plus 2 NPSL). The initial clubs will be NY Cosmos, Jacksonville, Miami, San Diego, Cal United, Indy, Detroit City FC and Foundry St. Louis. Sounds like great plan to me!

    Also work continues on NISA-III and NISA-IV.
     
  7. OnTheGrid

    OnTheGrid Member

    Oklahoma City Energy FC
    United States
    Oct 31, 2017
    OKC Metro
    Got a link?
     
  8. DanGerman

    DanGerman Member+

    Aug 28, 2014
    New York City
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Depends how long the season is going to be if its a shortish teaser season then yeah its a good idea. If its a full slate and they're going to a fall to spring calender then I think they'll struggle for attendance. Detroit and NYC (especially coney island) in Nov. to Feb. is freaking cold and I'm not so sure the teams will draw as well as a spring to winter schedule but I'd be interested in seeing it.
     
  9. bnyc

    bnyc Member

    Jan 20, 2015
    New York
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Dan, I believe it's for a fall season only with 2019 being a full season, spring to fall. The fall season will probably be July to November.
     
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  10. DanGerman

    DanGerman Member+

    Aug 28, 2014
    New York City
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If that's the case then great! I'm interested to see how that league does.
     
  11. oneeyedfool

    oneeyedfool Member+

    Nov 17, 2012
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Where did Peter say this? Because it wasn’t the case when I interviewed him a week and a half ago. Nor does it really jive with the off the record stuff I have.

    I’d love for it to be true but seems like wishful thinking.
     
  12. OnTheGrid

    OnTheGrid Member

    Oklahoma City Energy FC
    United States
    Oct 31, 2017
    OKC Metro
    Yeah, this is why I asked for a link above. A Google search didn’t turn up anything like this, and there wasn’t anything on Wilt’s Twitter account or the league account for NISA. And you would figure news like that would be findable one of those three ways.
     
  13. Darkwing McQuack

    Darkwing McQuack BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 11, 2011
    Morrisville, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would take what he said with a grain of salt. He’s made claims up before.
     
  14. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    England
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A Google search takes you to this thread, so it must be true!! :ROFLMAO:
     
  15. JDogindy

    JDogindy Member

    Nov 20, 2014
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh, barf.

    NISA won't happen.
     
  16. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Where is this “word” coming from? Because that idea flies in the face of what we know about San Diego, Cosmos and Miami and their desire to remain D2 or not bother.
     
  17. C-Rob

    C-Rob Member

    May 31, 2000
    He said NISA-II, which I assumed meant that they were going to apply for Division 2 status.
     
  18. USRufnex

    USRufnex Red Card

    Tulsa Athletic / Sheffield United
    United States
    Jul 15, 2000
    Tulsa, OK
    Club:
    --other--
    #293 USRufnex, Dec 30, 2017
    Last edited: Dec 30, 2017
    It's pretty ironic that you yourself have "zero skin in the game"... yet.... people who actually have skin in the game have already made their voices heard...

    As USL league meetings begin, MLS2 clubs a hot-button issue
    by James Poling Published: August 1, 2017
     
  19. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And how would this make them any more ready to be D2 sanctioned compared to NASL now?
     
  20. OnTheGrid

    OnTheGrid Member

    Oklahoma City Energy FC
    United States
    Oct 31, 2017
    OKC Metro
    I know you're joking, so I'll just say "Touche" and move on.

    They would have eight teams. A first-year league only needs eight teams to apply for DII. And that particular eight-team lineup would give them at least one team in each of the three time zones required to maintain DII status.

    I doubt the legitimacy of this report -- partly because it comes without a source, partly because I can't find independent sourcing, and partly because it doesn't mention anything about the three markets that NISA has already accepted. But the scenario painted here is one that could happen under the rules -- the bulk of the NASL (minus PRFC) joining with a couple subsidized newbies and applying for sanctioning under a new, unsullied label.

    I think that perhaps the USSF should revisit this scenario in future editions of the PLS -- perhaps a stipulation that no more than 50% of clubs in a new league applying for sanctioning can have played in a recently de-sanctioned league? Standards don't mean much if you can just close the shop in trouble and open up another. The only people helped by that loophole are the snake-oil salesmen.
     
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  21. C-Rob

    C-Rob Member

    May 31, 2000
    It has been suggested by those with more understanding of the USSF rules than I do (note, the soccer twitterati; Dure, Morris, Wahl, etc.) that any new league can apply to be division 1, 2, or 3 by meeting the barest minimum requirements. They would then be accepted with waivers because they would not be in full compliance. NISA and each team within NISA, of course, would then need to work toward meeting both the league and team standards.

    I have no idea whether it is accurate---nor, truth be told, do I really care---but it has been argued that it is possible.

    EDIT: I see OnTheGrid understands the process better than I, and laid out an appropriate response.
     
  22. Baysider

    Baysider Member+

    Jul 16, 2004
    Santa Monica
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    As long as they meet the standards, I don't see what the problem is. I don't know that a team with 8 brand new teams would necessarily be more stable than one made of mostly established (non-failing) teams from a failed league.
     
  23. OnTheGrid

    OnTheGrid Member

    Oklahoma City Energy FC
    United States
    Oct 31, 2017
    OKC Metro
    The problem, in my view, is the loophole created by lower standards for leagues in their first few years — which can be used as a reset button for failed leagues who (like NASL) couldn’t/didn’t meet the increased standards as time went on.

    The league we would be talking about here, for example, would have six of its eight members as refugees from a failed league. In what way would this version of NISA not effectively be NASL Redux? Wouldn’t it simply inherit NASL’s problems, NASL’s attitudes toward the PLS, etc.?

    And if it fails as well, what would stop them from forming another new league and starting all over again? I don’t care if they want to spend/waste tons of their own money, but I do care about having the inherent instability of NASL revisited on the pyramid ad nauseam et ad infinitum.
     
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  24. Baysider

    Baysider Member+

    Jul 16, 2004
    Santa Monica
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    I had forgotten about the lower standards for new leagues. In that case, maybe a reconstituted league would not qualify for the new league standards but would need to meet the standard standards. If they did that, then they could go forward.
     
  25. OnTheGrid

    OnTheGrid Member

    Oklahoma City Energy FC
    United States
    Oct 31, 2017
    OKC Metro
    That would work.

    I should add that I needed to be more clear, and that the lower standards are only a thing for DI and DII. I think DIII standards remain consistent from Year One. And I’ve never looked at the PLS for women’s leagues. So this loophole isn’t a loophole for every league at every level.
     

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