NISA (New NASL-allied D3 league) Mega-Thread

Discussion in 'NASL' started by oneeyedfool, Jun 6, 2017.

  1. CFLRowdiesFan

    CFLRowdiesFan Member

    Sep 22, 2016
    Just guessing, but I think it's the landing spot for all of the teams except for NCFC (off to USL), Edmonton (dark for a year then to the CPL in 2019), Puerto Rico (gone to the dustbin unfortunately), San Francisco (also folding) and perhaps the Cosmos.

    Some of the NPSL teams that would have moved to the NASL will wind up here as well (Detroit, Hartford and Arizona with New Orleans for 2019). So it could look this way:

    2018
    Indy
    Jacksonville
    Miami
    Hartford
    Detroit
    San Diego
    Cal United
    Arizona

    Interestingly, the league could apply for D2 status and qualify with 8 teams since it's a first year operation, but I think it's unlikely.

    If they get D2 status (whether in 2018 or 2019) then the Cosmos would join. In 2019, New Orleans joins along with a Chicago team that Wilt is working on, if they can find a place to play.
     
  2. OnTheGrid

    OnTheGrid Member

    Oklahoma City Energy FC
    United States
    Oct 31, 2017
    OKC Metro
    Do we know for sure about Puerto Rico?

    I find it hard to believe that Rocco would let the Cosmos die after having paid so much for them. I know he said he'd never go lower than D2, but if the options are D3 or fold, I suspect he's the type of man who would go D3 and push for a return to D2 ASAP.

    Unconfirmed reports out of San Diego have them leaning USL, which I think would be a great move for them. I would also love Indy and Jacksonville, but I don't know much about the possibilities for the latter, and chatter is that the first may unfortunately not happen.

    I don't think they can, actually. They'd have enough teams to meet the first-year D2 requirements if the league lineup plays out your way. And they would meet the time zone requirements as well, since Years 1-5 would only require them to be in two separate time zones with no restrictions as to which.

    The problem I see is the professional league ownership requirements. Some of the teams you listed were among the ones that would have needed help from Rocco and Silva to join NASL, right? Under section g) of the current operating standards for all professional leagues, we find this passage:

    Note that it doesn't say "principal owner" (i.e., the person who binds the team), just "owner." And if Rocco and/or Silva are serving as behind-the-scenes money men for their ostensible competitors, you could make a case that the league structure is compromised. Something tells me that USSF, having just prevailed in the injunction battle, would be looking to apply their standards as firmly as they could against any new league that looks like it might be trying to pick up where NASL left off.
     
  3. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Where have you seen reports San Diego is leaning USL?
     
  4. OnTheGrid

    OnTheGrid Member

    Oklahoma City Energy FC
    United States
    Oct 31, 2017
    OKC Metro
    Yeah, re-reading this article, I'm thinking "reports" might have been too strong a word. The actual wording is "Some have speculated," which could mean anything from "My friend/source in the front office told me the decision is basically made" to "I have to fill up another half-inch of column, and this would make sense to me."

    There's also something on Twitter from a member of the Bold City Brigade (Jax Armada) that someone put on the NASL Reddit, but I'm not counting that. He could know somebody/something, or he could just be projecting. Looking over his feed for the last 48 hours, he seems pretty stoked about the injunction denial, and very interested in Jacksonville following Tampa Bay's lead.

    So yeah, sorry for the overly strong language. I admit that I really want San Diego in USL, and my wishful thinking may have blinkered my reading skills.
     
  5. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No worries, it’s why I asked. I’ve got my fingers crossed too that San Diego goes USL. It just makes too much sense for them to not do it.

    And reading that article I understand the jump you made. D2 seems to be a must for 1904 FC, and they intend to play in 2018... so by process of elimination that leaves them one option.
     
  6. msilverstein47

    msilverstein47 Member+

    Jan 11, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    while I didn't write the twitter post, the majority of the teams will indeed join Peter Wilt. My guess is that Edmonton will not join, Deltas will likely fold and the Cosmos will take their show around the world on tour...
     
  7. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What about those teams like SD that have made it clear D2 is a must. NISA doesn’t fit that requirement.
     
  8. Threeke

    Threeke Member

    Feb 26, 2016
    Unless NISA applies for and is granted D2 in 2019. Then it's just a question of 1904FC using the year 2018 to build up for the big launch.
     
  9. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Assuming NISA or its members have any interest in D2 or even qualify.
     
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  10. Threeke

    Threeke Member

    Feb 26, 2016
    Yep. Lots of assumptions out there by most of us. I've been a big fan of waiting and seeing for a while now. Pretty much everything else is speculation.
     
  11. SteveUSSF_ref8

    SteveUSSF_ref8 Member+

    United States
    Oct 25, 2010
    Sun City, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Their are rumors that the NISA may look to start a D2 league first in 2018 and then move forward with a D-3 division in 2019.
     
  12. C-Rob

    C-Rob Member

    May 31, 2000
    I can't see it happening. According to the USSF, none of the NASL expansion candidates, including San Diego and OC, satisfy D2 standards for ownership groups. The USSF might be willing to grant some waivers, it I doubt they would grant waivers for undercapitalized ownership groups. Given that these would presumably form the bulk of NISA, it wouldn't be in anyone's best interest for NISA to be certified D2 right out of the gate.
     
  13. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's November 2017, about four months from the start of the 2018 season. The USSF application deadline for league sanctioning was in August. Whatever rumors you are referring to are obviously false.
     
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  14. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    ....and here comes the BS full circle.

    Whoever started the rumor is lying, is stupid, or is trying to stir up hits and manipulate the remaining NASL zealots.

    Unless the source is Peter I don’t belive anything....nor should anyone else.
     
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  15. Balerion

    Balerion Member+

    Aug 5, 2006
    Roslindale, MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To be honest, I feel like people are treating NISA D3 in 2019 as more of a given than it should be.

    Neither NISA nor the USL have much in the way of concrete progress for D3 in 2019, at least in the public eye. NISA made good PR hay out of eight "applicant clubs", none of whom are confirmed and three of which would be competing in established USL D2 markets. And based on the distribution of clubs, the travel costs would likely be worse than USL D2.

    For their part, there's not much to show for USL D3 except for some "barnstorming tour" type press releases. The USL gets a longer leash because they've been making mostly intelligent decisions at the D2 level for some years now (I'm sure that sentence sounds strange to any long-time observer of the US minor leagues, but there you have it).

    We'll find out soon who is able to put in place competent and reasonably capitalized ownership groups. For a successful D3 launch in 2019 from either league, you'd definitely want to make some announcements and put some key pieces in place before the winter is over.
     
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  16. SteveUSSF_ref8

    SteveUSSF_ref8 Member+

    United States
    Oct 25, 2010
    Sun City, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #241 SteveUSSF_ref8, Nov 7, 2017
    Last edited: Nov 7, 2017
    I beg to differ with your opinion on these ownership groups. First, your quote is wrong about the ownership group from San Diego and Cal United. These group were not submitted for D2 qualification yet. So don't make statements that are half truths. Also don't shoot down too quickly the idea of the NISA going for D2 sanctioning.

    http://midfieldpress.com/2017/09/27...atically-if-it-survives-its-latest-challenge/
     
  17. MNNumbers

    MNNumbers Member

    Jul 10, 2014
    I'm not sure where to put this question, so I'll try here. Is there any confirmation of what the NASL as a league, or individual clubs, are going to do now? I mean fresh word since Saturday, when the ruling was published?

    Thanks for the news.
     
  18. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It wasn’t his opinion of the groups. That came out of the injunction request/denial.
     
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  19. C-Rob

    C-Rob Member

    May 31, 2000
    As reported in SI:

     
  20. Todorojo

    Todorojo Member

    Oct 27, 2008
    South Weber, UT
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    I agree that people are getting ahead of themselves a lot here. Until teams start being announced (and I mean more than a few) there is no league in place. That being said, NISA was shooting for a 2018 start and doesn't seem to be anywhere close to that unless they basically just take in all of the NASL teams last minute and add a couple of their own. USL3 had planned all along to start in 2019, and their tours right now are being used for PR generation. They have plenty of time to announce teams and still give those teams time to create local buzz while still hitting their 2019 start goal. I see the USL3 league as more likely due to that fact and the fact that they already have a lot of the resources in place due to the USL2 league.

    NISA is more of a long shot as they are already falling behind where they should be for their starting date goal, they don't have as much in place at this point as far as support and the they are likely in a holding pattern until NASL finally gives up.
     
  21. SteveUSSF_ref8

    SteveUSSF_ref8 Member+

    United States
    Oct 25, 2010
    Sun City, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As stated is SI
    "“They then discussed [California United and San Diego] ... But those two owners had not yet been qualified and to this day."

    These club have not yet been qualified. This doesn't mean that they don't meet the requirements as D2 ownership. This is my point.
     
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  22. athletics68

    athletics68 Member+

    Dec 12, 2006
    San Diego & San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Um... if they don't qualify, and still don't qualify for D2 financials officially... they don't qualify for D2 ownership under USSF. Nothing really ambiguous about that :confused:

    I mean I want San Diego to happen in any league (preferably USL) as much as you do. But they do have to qualify for ownership officially financially or it's not going to happen. Nor should it. Enough with half assed under capitalized ownership groups that are going to flash in the pan like the Deltas and so many before them.

    Now they may have the financial wherewithal.... but they need to prove it to USSF.
     
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  23. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Educated guess. Teams have folded under far better circumstances than they face today.

    It will be years - not weeks, not months, years - before life there is back to any semblance of what it was pre-hurricane. And for all the talk about how sports teams can lift up cities experiencing hardship, ( a ) this was a cataclysm, not a hardship and ( b ) that's in places with the ability to clean up and with people whose emotional attachment to those teams runs long and deep.

    PRFC has been around for 16 months. They weren't doing great guns even before the hurricane - the financial situation there didn't help, but they also didn't seem to be a very robust operation - and with the island in a humanitarian crisis, it's not hard to see them going on hiatus and never returning.
     
  24. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But teams and leagues that don't yet exist are always more popular on Bigsoccer than teams and leagues that do.
     
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  25. canammj

    canammj Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    CHINO, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So acting as the NASL funeral director:rolleyes:, and reading stuff everywhere, is this summary of the teams "status" acurate?
    -
    SAN FRANCISCO- Gone. Would be so funny if they beat the Cosmos in the final.
    FC EDMONTON - To CPL
    PUERTO RICO - Probably gone. Is there a Caribbean league of some kind to play in?
    NCFC - Appear to be moving to USL
    INDY 11 - Inquiry to USL, nothing for sure
    JACKSONVILLE - New owner quoted as "no league to play in". I guess he hasn't called the USL yet.
    NY COSMOS - Gone again? Holding out for NISA?
    MIAMI - Who knows what this owner is going to do. His money would have been a good Beckham partner
    SAN DIEGO - After reading all the blogs, not sure if wait and see, or would reconsider USL
    ORANGE COUNTY - Really have not seen much of anything on this team
    ----
    Truth be told, if egos, money, lawsuits, USSF and all other issues were put aside, INDY, NC, JAX, SD & yes NYCosmos would all make good fits into USL2 geographically speaking, more rivals than they have now, less traveling and frankly, their crowds are also within the USL2 range. Whether the "standards" issues would be addressed is another issue.
     

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