Nike Thread [19] - Post all info, pics & questions here!

Regarding the Super Ligera, I think they were an honorable mention on one of the lists, but yeah, I agree. The Super Ligera I (haven't tried II or III as they are Japan exclusive) is one of my favorite boots ever, and I wore my pair to death. The studs were perfect on both AG and natural surfaces, they felt really light on the foot and the leather was soft and super comfy!

 

Well yeah I am talking Euro sizes here, perhaps you mean UK and/or US?

 

The Elites are good. Just not great. The leather on them very good quality. The flywire takes forever to break in and is just ok. As far as the fit it is like they took the upper and put it on a soleplate half a size up so it is either too tight or too long. The soleplate is too stiff. Sometimes if I wear them for more than 2hrs the bottoms of my feet go completely numb. I love the boots don't get me wrong but I was expecting more.

Is it just me or does the shape of the current CTR somewhat similar to the Dios? Maybe it's just the lacing.

 

I think I gave the super ligera an honourable mention! They were a great boot and I met the product team on the boot from Nike they were brilliant. I was never a fan of the carbon outsole to be honest on the iv elite. I appreciated the idea but not so much in practice it was too stiff. I mean on paper they made sense, leather, carbon, flywire sounds great but just was never comfortable enough, the insole wasn't great and couldn't prize me away from my other boots

 

I would very much like to meet the designer of the super ligera who's name I believe to be D. Villken? (I don't remember, was years ago since I read it)

I agree with you on the IV elite but I would like to add that they were produced in a minimum of three different countries, Bosnia, China and Italy. The leather of the pairs made in Bosnia and China felt worse than the leather of the regular tiempo IV while the leather of the pairs made in Italy was almost as good and soft as the leather of the 2001 specialis.

 

Yeah fair point mine were a Bosnian promo pair which are a damn sight better than the china ones!
The designer of the super ligera was Doug Wilken. Really nice guy and they did a lot more prep into that project than anyone realises in the Asian markets where it was predominantly designed for.

 

Mine were made in Italy. I would say the leather is near Morelia quality. It has that matte finish (black/orange colorway) though so it makes it feel a little different when comparing the two.

 

Fair point mate. Unfortunately all of the other main brands do the same thing. Take mizuno for example, they are now charging a premium for made in Japan boots over Indonesian made. The quality difference is massive but how do you put a price on that? I'm always drawn to the top manufacturing sites boots but over in the UK the Japanese made ones are ridiculously expensive.
I also have some German made adipure 1's and its the same with them over the Indonesian made ones. The longevity is so different they just hold up better over a longer period of time!
I've personally never had any queries with Nike production especially in Montebelluna. Obviously I doubt it would have the capacity to produce nike volumes for every premium product and cost effectiveness comes into play as you have already said. If Bosnia is the next best thing then hopefully as a relatively new factory their quality and knowledge/skills will improve and rates stay low to ensure European production with the required volumes.
My tiempo premiers were a great boot Chinese made but you always just tell the touches of quality from Italy I'd personally always pay the premium to buy from there if possible.
I mean they made hand made Ronaldos boots what more do you need to know!

 

It also bothers me that when Nike release limited editions most of them are no longer only made in Italy like they used to, now it's really just a paint job that separate them from the regular version.

Maybe they think that the limited editions shouldn't be worn and therefor they don't care about the quality of them?

 

Someone mentioned this a few pages back, but can anyone confirm that the Red Tiempo IV is actually 100% K-leather as opposed to the other colorways which are a mix of Kanga-lite and K-leather?

 

No, not 100% K-leather. The rumors were about the red tiempo iv having full leather instep.

 

Interesting. This might be a good time to ask our newly joined member Sean from Nike what the Tiempo is really supposed to be made of. There seems to be confusion regarding the material.

 

Shawn...

 

Problem is...I don't think it would go over so well with the public. Only works with Japan because their 'japan' boots are ONLY in japan or Korea...so it's a 'rarity' to get your hands on one. In the UK they cahrge a premium because of this for these boots. Nike is too big, and for it to be say 'Nike Italy' only exclusive and to charge a premium for the same boot but made in Italy???

Wouldn't make Nike look good since they're so big IMO.

Edit: After thinking it over....maybe calling the boot...'elite' maybe like they tried to do with those CF bottom boots?

 

I can say with 101% confidence that the instep of the newer colourways of the Tiempo 4 Legends are made from k-leather.

Edit: About the "Made In" discussion, I remember reading on the Adidas thread that the Copa has better leather quality than the World Cup because it's made in Germany, rather than Indonesia.

 

Thats exactly what i mean. No harm in having a elite version if the elite is made in Italy and the standard one made in china/bosnia or wherever else.
Also Mizuno have started to expand MIJ boots so now you can get them in brazil, uk, germany and asia but like you said you pay a larger premium outside of asia.

noob-bob which limited eds are you thinking of that arent made in italy? I thought all of the previous ones had been apart from the new MV XV which was made in bosnia. Although there are rumours is was made in italy and just finished in bosnia.

 

Vapor IX CR SE and MV XV and MV XV Chrome.

 

I'm a big fan of IV Elites! They would probably be #4 or 5 on my list. Yes, the CF is stiff and needs plenty of break-in time, but the ball striking is amazing and they are really comfortable boots (for me) despite an odd foot shape. That said, I've got 4 different colorways all in size 8 and they all fit a bit differently, which is frustrating like you've all mentioned. The leather quality is excellent, I can discern no difference between the leather you get from Italy vs Bosnia. I've never personally seen a Chinese pair of Elites so I can't comment on those.

Switching gears, my Dark Charcoal/Crimson Hypervenoms arrived today. The colorway is awesome as the funky parts of the boot (heel swoosh, skull & crossbones) are all blacked out. The fit is so-so for me, unfortunately. Forefoot feels similar to a vapor while the mid foot is only slightly wider than a Vapor. The NikeSkin upper is softer than I expected, much softer than the Elastico II, for instance, which was a nice surprise. Soleplate looks to be excellent as I'm a big fan of simple conical studs.

 

Fair point mate although the label inside the MV XV Chrome says made in Italy. So I'm still going on that they are made in Italy and finished in Bosnia. Only my theory! Didn't notice IX CR SE was Bosnia too. So it's only been happening from this year!

Charcoal hypervenoms look really slick where did you get them from?

 

Here's my old school Ronaldo and Vieri wall hangings. They were originally from a sports store around the time of the 98 World Cup they are basically the size of a door frame.

 

Not sure. I've never owned any of them.