NHFS Use of Whistle

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  1. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    A good thing, we have had a solid influx of new referees for our upcoming high school season, some with USSF experience, and some first timers.

    I am in the middle of writing an FAQ for the new season, and I am paging thru the rule book to find the correct use of the whistle.

    Here’s what I have so far: Kick-off, ball in/out of play quickly returns, all fouls and OS, (yes, I am dumbing this done a bit). Ceremonial FK’s, any time you need to stop the clock (injury, etc). End of a period.

    Do we whistle in NFHS for a goal? And stop the clock?

    Any others?
     
  2. ejschwartz

    ejschwartz Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Oct 17, 2021
    #2 ejschwartz, Aug 30, 2023
    Last edited: Aug 30, 2023
    Don't believe so. The rule book shows this for the goal signal:

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    I don't think it is required to whistle every time you stop the clock. But I often do it to get the timer's attention.

    You do need to stop the clock after a goal.
     
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  3. El Rayo Californiano

    Feb 3, 2014
    9-1-3, for those who might want the specific rules book reference.
     
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  4. ejschwartz

    ejschwartz Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Oct 17, 2021
  5. Kit

    Kit Member+

    Aug 30, 1999
    Herkimer, NY, USA
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have always been told that a whistle is required for a goal in high school soccer specifically because you’re stopping the clock. This would be different from USSF/IFAB where you don’t stop the clock for a goal (or at all).

    When it comes to the diagrams, I know it doesn’t show an official whistling for a foul, but it also doesn’t show an official whistling for a foul and we do.
     
  6. ejschwartz

    ejschwartz Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Oct 17, 2021
    Good point!

    I still don't see anything in the rule book about whistling when stopping the clock though. In several places the language "signals when the clock is to be stopped", but I assume that means the "X" signal.

    5-3-1:
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  7. MJ91

    MJ91 Member

    United States
    Jan 14, 2019
    Our association decided to always whistle, even if just a <chirp> on an obvious goal... Too many clock operators don't pay any attention if there's no whistle, and every once in a while a player(s) don't realize there was a goal scored and challenge for the ball being rolled back to midfield.
     
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  8. mathguy ref

    mathguy ref Member+

    Nov 15, 2016
    TX
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I make the X, then I violently make the X twice while staring at the timekeeper who is in their ivory tower browsing ETSY. Then I'm blowing the Valkeen loudly and multiple times while making the X.
     
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  9. Law5

    Law5 Member+

    Mar 24, 2005
    Beaverton OR
    The key words are "as necessary." I have found the occasional time when the defenders think, or want to think, that the whistle means there was a foul or offside before the shot and the goal shouldn't count.
     
  10. El Rayo Californiano

    Feb 3, 2014
    Referee yells, “Clock!” AR closest to timekeeper yells, “Clock!” Spectators yell, “Clock!”
     
  11. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All too often, the clock operators still don’t stop the clock even with a whistle. I know I’m preaching to a really large choir here…..
     
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  12. jayhonk

    jayhonk Member+

    Oct 9, 2007
    I lost a bet to a friend on this. Not required per the Rules. But around here it is customary. Although, like Law5 said, if the players are hardcore USSF, to them a whistle means 'no goal.' So I just give it a chirp.
     
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  13. Kit

    Kit Member+

    Aug 30, 1999
    Herkimer, NY, USA
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    what do you mean? I have had USSF games where the ball has just barely crossed the line and I’ve blown my whistle and then signaled a good goal.
     
  14. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Well, sure. But when the ball is in the back of the net, a whistle in USSF game almost always means the goal doesn’t count.
     
  15. DefRef

    DefRef Member

    Jul 3, 2017
    Storrs CT
    My rule of thumb, when working with new refs in both HS and youth is - if the game needs a whistle, then whistle. Ball goes 3 inches out - whistle. Ball goes 3 feet out - no whistle. You whistle to stop play when it needs to stop. And sometimes to start play up again.

    What drives me crazy is when non soccer HS refs are whistling for normal CK or GK (no subs). And they usually argue with me when I tell them it is not needed. They say how do they know they can restart? And I say, what if they started before you whistled? You gonna make them do it over?
     
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  16. Law5

    Law5 Member+

    Mar 24, 2005
    Beaverton OR
    Presumably, yes, you are going to make them do it over, which is both why you whistle sometimes for restarts (e.g. substitutions) and why you don't whistle for restarts where there is no reason to hold up the restart.
     

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