I understand. But a quicker restart can't trump game control. I'm probably a bit hyper about this kind of thing today. We had a referee assaulted last night by a high school player, even after his coach had been red carded in an earlier incident. Eleven cautions, two reds. And, in another game, actually involving the same school, a JV2 player yelled insulting language at the referee, from the bench. Before the referee got to the bench, he had somehow disappeared and his shirt number was not on the roster.
I don’t think you need to over think this. For better or worse, NFHS has decided they don’t want kids lying down behind the wall, and made a clear point about it. So just stop them if they do and move on. It may be stupid, but it’s not a big deal as a ref.
"It works in practice, but does it work in theory?" Brass tacks-wise, yes you are spot-on. More ethereally, I guess this is just another of those drafting calamities that lurk for us all, like Scylla and Charybdis.
Just stop the clock. The few times this is match critical AND NFHS doesn't already dictate a stoppage (i.e. the kid being subbed is on the team leading in the last five minutes), you have the authority to stop the clock if you feel that there's undue time wasting. I'd point out in your scenario, though, if it's a corner the attacking team by rule has to be substituting if there are any subs, and if that team is winning the clock is going to stop in the last 5 minutes. If that team is tied or is losing, well, they are only wasting their own time. Outside the last 5 minutes of the second half, how often are those extra 15 seconds really match critical?
I'm hearing that both New York State and PA will be eliminating overtime for both the Boys and Girls.
Please have your administrators talk to their counterparts in Iowa. We still do golden goal OT (2 10 minute periods) AND penalty kicks if needed for every game. It's ridiculous.
We had allowed leagues to determine whether ties stood or what form of tie breaker to use. One league (and only one league) was doing full overtime and KFTPM for all games. The coaches politely supported eliminating that. Thye realized that, with two games a week, usually with only one day between them, it was too wearing on their players to have say, a game with over time and kicks on Tuesday, and their next game is Thursday, against a team that did not play OT on Tuesday. Never mind, also, that OT means that the kids end up with less time for homework (assuming that their school still assigns homework!) and sleep if they play OT..
So there's good news and there's bad news... https://pittsburghsoccernow.com/202...e-in-regular-season-but-brings-back-soft-red/
Soft reds. Good god no. We still have refs who periodically give one. It’s been 10 plus years since it’s been out of the book.
I'm...unsure. I'm still trying to figure out an instance when you'd give a card for a foul that's not misconduct. The meeting minutes (linked in the article) don't expand on the blurb in my earlier post. If they mean 2CT = soft red why not just say so. If they mean something else...wow... The recap in the linked article includes: But now, for some reason, the PIAA Soccer Steering Committee and the PIAA Board is now back to providing officials with ‘Soft Red’ option — giving those issued with this ruling the opportunity to return to play in the next match and/or give the team an opportunity to still play with 11. So I think it's Bride of Old Soft Red. Glad to know we've taken care of aggressive play and violent behaviors (which as the article states were part of bagging soft reds in the first place). Watch this space for a return to the 4-step rule for GKs... I'm already dreading the August rules meeting.
83 - PIAA - Board meeting summary - 2017 Mar. (A5672528).DOCX The Board unanimously approved to refer a recommendation to eliminate overtime for regular season contests in the sport of soccer to the Strategic Planning Committee;
I'm not up on the current NFHS rules and practices, but it has long been my understanding that the NFHS rules say that any state that substantially modifies the NFHS rules is no longer allowed to serve on the rules committee for that sport. Washington says that they use IFAB Laws of the Game for high school but then they walk that back to NFHS rules on some things. As a result, they cannot serve on the NFHS soccer rules committee. I note that PA has also proposed the soft red as a NFHS rule change for 2024-2025.
That's absolutely correct. For example, before NFHS allowed a shot clock for basketball there were 6-8 states that used a shot clock. Those states, which included Minnesota, were not allowed to sit on the basketball rules committees. Once NFHS made the shot clock a national codification, those states were allowed to serve on the rules committees.
Good. I don't get paid for overtime and it just makes me late for my second game if I have a double header.
We had county "co-champions" in varsity this past fall after their match ended in a tie. However, in the regular season teams go to overtime to decide a winner. Can anyone explain to me how this makes any sense??? Barring state playoff games, the club matches we all do end in a tie. However, in a sport where high school buses are waiting, teens need to do their homework on a school day/night and parents are trying to time their pickup after work, who thought it was a brilliant idea to bring overtime to high school soccer? I am not impressed by the changes (or perhaps lack of?) that have been made the past 25 years in high school soccer, after reading the whole thread.