nf report

A lot!

 

leeds, manchester united, chelsea, milwall. west ham, rangers, nottingham forest toname a few.
wogs out of england now! ya, i read "among the thugs." a true classic.

 

A large number of clubs have fans linked with NF, more right wing groups like C18 do have links with a lot of clubs but not as many as the NF.

 

I think there's a distinction missing there. The clubs don't have links to the NF or any of these other saddoes. Similarly "minded" people who associate themselves with the club by virtue of claiming to support them form these links.

And Patrick, I know you're trying to be a wise-ass and hoping to hide the fact that you have yet to start shaving by giving it some third-hand gubbins you read in a book, but "Wogs out of England now"? you're not even English. And the average Wog (or indeed the average anyone) would probably just put you over their knee in any case.

Give it a rest, eh? Good kid.

 

And 15 years out of date.

 

And mostly bollocks to start with.

 

oh? i thought it was rather well written. the books by the brimson brothers are low brow but entertaining. and i'm not 12 either. i find this subject fascinating. i actually can't believe that so many english lads take their clubs that seriously. it is still only sports. are you personally making money off it if your team wins? no, that's the answer. so who gives a sheeeit anyway. in america we see sports for what they are- strictly entertainment.

 

Right. You're mystified how people could take the thing you ape with such dedication on here so seriously.

And those Wogs ... why, let's not get you started, eh, Anthropology Boy?

If you're not 12, then you're intellectually stunted in a manner that makes you seem 12.

 

Oh ... and you're clearly not that well-read, either.

 

About seven years ago, one of my high school friends came back in town from college with this dormmate of hers who was from Germany. She was totally into gangsta rap and thugs in general (this is when Snoop Dogg was just getting HUGE), and she freaked out when we drove by a bunch of lowriders with blue bandanas, weed, 40 oz's and guns, saying how she could hardly wait to tell her friends back in Germany that she saw some real gangsters. We tried to explain to her that those guys are actually f'ing idiots that are bored and have nothing better to do but bother other people to pass their days. She didn't listen to us. Last I heard, she shacked up with a crystal meth dealer in the Bronx and is being beaten on a daily basis, as well as ho'd out to pay off debts.

You remind me of her.

 

He must not be a very good dealer if he has to ho' her out to pay his debts.

 

Proves my point even more.

 

Do the national front even still exist? I think David Icke has more followers these days.

Contrary to what many like to blame football hooliganism on, or what they try to link it to, there's been a lot of evidence to show that football grounds have been 'surprisingly' poor recruitment grounds for right-wing extremist organisations.


As for among the thugs, however well-written it may be, it rather overlooks the fact that he had to try very hard to find any fans who matched his idea of what a 'typical' fan is like. But of course once he found the group of right-wing louts he wanted he then acts all shocked and appalled at their right wing views and their like of violence. The important point is their attitudes have absolutely nothing to do with football, that's just the way they are. There's no political capital to be made out of showing such views at a football match. What relevence does singing "no surrender to the IRA" in Slovakia have anyway? As for "wogs out", perhaps in the late 70s, but I have never, in nearly 20 years of going to football, heard a racist chant aimed at a footballer, supporter or group of individuals in the vicinty of a football ground.

 

Not to disprove ur point or anything but you've never heard one? Just surprised.

 

I can't think of one. There's the "I'd rather be a paki than a scouse" one, but that's more generally offensive than racist abuse, as the abuse isn't directed at an Asian person (something can be racially offensive without necessarily being abusive). I've heard individuals shout things out, but never a group chanting something, which is what you'd expect from a right-wing racist group at a match.
Maybe "wogs out" is sung on a regular basis down the Albion, but I doubt it. If you've heard chants then let me know, as I can't think of any.

 

I have not read that book-probably won't ever bother reading it either, but, i met Hickmott on many occasions.Mostly it was because i just happened to be in the same area rather than any personal contact (which i never had with him).
The group of the Headhunters that he was involved with during the early 80's was a breeding ground for the lunatic fringe that was the NF/BNP/Neo-Nazi/C18 skinners that were looking for a bit more than the usual 20 on 2 fight that they excelled in at the grounds.
These types would round on any CFC fans that happened to voice an objection to their mindless bollox that was spouted incessentantly at home and at quite a few away, games.
To associate them with a club in any way is quite wrong.They went for reasons of their own and usually it had nothing to do with the action on the pitch.

I remember being in the rising sun on the broadway with a few of my mates one Sat morning near the end of the '83 season.We were all on leave and made a deal to take in a Chelsea game that week followed by a Luton game the following week to keep the peace with the other lads .

Anyways, there we were having a good old time, minding our own business.11 of us there was.
In comes about 6 of these NF cretins.Easily recognised by the denim jacket/white t-shirt/tight denim jeans/Dr Martens and skinner tops.
Nothing happened for quite a while untill they had a few beers themselves whereupon one of them was telling his mate in a rather loud voice (said mate was about 1ft away) that all Pakis/Indians/Aussies/micks etc etc etc should get the fuck out and stop scabing jobs.England for the English and all that rot.

Most of us had our Chelsea gear on--some of them did also.Anyways one of our lot-big fella named Ian- stood up and yelled over to them to keep it down or take it outside to the gutter where it belonged.They were a disgrace to his club mouthing that garbage and the reason that we were treated like dirt at away matches and little better at home ones.

Typical of their sort 4 of them were going to take him on--untill the other 10 of us stood up.
The pub owner was none to pleased with them to begin with and sharp as a tack he jumped on the opportunity to rid himself of them telling them they had to leave as he didn't want any bovver.
For a few seconds it looked like they would get stuck into us, but, decided to down what they had left and leave.

On the way out the lad that seemed to be the ring leader turned to us and said.." hope i run into you fuckers in the shed some day"
I took a good look at this clown when he said that as i was quite sure if he recognised me first i would have a small army after me in the ground.

 

i thought among the thugs was a very well writen book. he may have been manipulative and he may embellished a bit, but it was still very much worth reading. obviously that was manchester united in the bad old days before sir alex and all the trophies

 

Like I said, you're clearly not very well read if you think that was "well written". And we can add "not particularly choosy" to your list of foibles, given that you will happily accept that a book which purports to give an insight into hooliganism ismanipulative and embellished. What's the point in reading such drivel if you know the picture it paints is a load of bollocks. That the image you have been given (and clearly enjoy in your own little ... little ... way) is utterly false?

 

Nah, i get ya, i was thinking along the lines of just one liners - not group chants like you say. I agree with you in that case then cos i've never heard a full group song in a racist context. Maybe it was like that in the 70's, early 80's but since i've been going up i've never heard one.
Also, no it's not different at the Albion - thats never sung, we've hardly got a reputation for being a racist club, whether it's cos of the 3 Degrees influence (Regis, Cunningham, Batson) or whether it's cos the town is a multi-cultural one i dunno.

 

He talks about going away to Juventus in Europe in that book. If those are bad old days I'm your fcuking uncle!


Honestly kid....shut up. You have no clue as to what you are talking about.

 

yes, and a the lads behaved like animals in turin

 

Hopefully one day you'll get a nice brick in the face and learn that hooliganism isn't a hobby.

 

clan blue

that was a very interesting story.

 

Speak for yourself retard.