adams is gone, no surprises there. not to say im not unhappy, i like adams a lot, but as a manager he is clearly clueless, like almost all the rest of the british managers. southgate has 1 win in his last 16 matches, a truly disgraceful run of form. he has put together his own side and has been given time to nurture this side. he has spend fairly big, more than the wigans and boltons of this world and has kept the players he wants to keep hold of, like downing. boro are currently second bottom of the leage. southgate is out of his depth and clueless about how to run a football club. hull also have 1 win in 16, another disgraceful run,but i feel that brown has this team till he wants to leave. alladyce is not a tactician but at least he knows which side his bread is buttered on. he is a scrapper and im sure this quality will allow him to recover the shambles that was the ince administration. if blackburn go down it will not be entirely allardyces fault, but im sure the board wont sack him unless they actually get relegated. newcastle are one of the major jokes of the season. i would never have appointed kinnear, but ashely is mates with him. he might quit due to ill health, but i think the only time he will be canned is if they get relegated. 3 wins from last 14 epl matches says that he is a pretty shit manager given the players he has at his disposal. spurs have 3 wins in the last 14 games as well in the league. but harry will not be under any pressure. i think he is a pretty shit manager, more than 20 years in the game and has never even been close to putting a league winning side together, one trophy won in his entire career and that was meeting lower league opponents in both the semis and the final of the fa cup, a set of favourable circumstances that are incredibly rare. why cant club owners see how crap british managers are????? it seems they are happy to piss club money up the walls.
Apart from the various interim managers, the logical choice would be Mark Hughes. He has a massively expensive squad and has taken them backwards from last season despite having better players! Expectations from ADUG are pretty high so Hughes will need to turn things around quite a bit in the rest of the season imo to avoid the axe.
What a load of absolute rubbish. Allardyce's acheivements with Bolton deserve a lot of credit. That you dismiss them with such ignorance tells me exactly what you know about the game of football. In a league where the likes of Wigan and Fulham can spend upwards of £10m on a player, Allardyces acheivements at Bolton are to be admired, not dismissed. Jesus, did you think before you typed this? I'm not sure a single person with the slightest interest in football would begrudge Phil Browns acheivements in football with Hull. Had it not been for him and their fantastic start to the season they'd be down already. Wash your mouth out. A knowledgeable person would acknowledge that he's hardly been in a position to create a title challenging side having managed Portsmouth, West Ham, Brighton, Southampton and Tottenham. Incidentally, at every one of those clubs he has sought to play attractive, attacking football. And he is the reason Portsmouth are in Europe this season. Do you know much about this game or what? I'm not a fan of Redknapp the man. I think he's a money grabbing, turn-coat who has walked away from Portsmouth twice, once for their biggest rivals, but as a manager I think he's earned his stripes, no question. That you do not is hardly a surprise. I'd be very surprised if Southgate was fired from 'Boro. Gibson is a patient man and at the beginning Soutgate's tenure was looking promising.
As long as Benitez stays at Liverpool I'm confident that his stubborn refusal to back down on his mistakes will result in them never winning the EPL, which as far as I'm concerned, is a good thing.
Calm down, calm down. Allardyce achieved great things at bolton, i agree, thats why i said in my post regardless of form, and their form isnt great, he wont be sacked unless they go down, and even then they would prolly want to keep him. did you read my post before quoting it? again, as i said in my post which you were so keen to requote, he will avoid the chop all season regardless of how back hull form is. where did i begrudge his achievements as you put it? other than to quote a stat that he has 1 win in his last 16 league games. is this worthy of praise? or just lets ignore it because 'its only hull'. why has he never had a good job? did he not want to manage a big club? seems to me that he will jump in bead with the first person to make him a decent offer, as proved, hmm, let me see, when he left portsmouth, then southampton, then porsmouth again to jump into the sack with levy. so, as we have proven 'arry has no problem walking out on a club at the drop of a hat if the offer is right, why is it then that he has never gone to a big club? i guess the offers werent there. why is this? because he is a great manager capable of winning things? or not? yes he has 'eaned his stripes' as you call it. good old fashioned 'arry. with one medal for 20 years in football. great manager. well, i hope he is patient enough to enjoy a few years in the championship. 1 win from 16 matches is not great. 22 points from 25 matches.
For me, it's Southgate. Boro have been on a shocking run of form and are now second from bottom. If changes are going to be made for the next manager to get sacked, it should be sooner rather than later. I wouldn't be surprised if another falls victim this month.
another thing counting against southgate, of all the non promoted clubs, this mess is all of his doing. at blackburn ince messed it up and allardyce is there to recover, same is true of harry at spurs and jfk at newcastle. even if one of those screws up and gets his club relegated he can blame it on the predesesor. this is the best that southgate can come up with 3 seasons of first team coaching.
Southgate. It's not just this season. Can anyone discern a long term plan there? What is his blueprint for turning Middlesborough into what Blackburn have been since they came back up, or what Bolton was under Allardyce? If there is one, I don't see it.
It's like this. In Italy and Spain young, in-experienced managers get given chances at clubs. At big, BIG clubs. Guardiola at Barcelona, Mancini at Lazio and Fiorentina, Ancelotti at Parma 10 years ago, Benitez at Valencia etc. The bigger clubs give them chances and this way they build reputations for themselves and experience at the top. Rijkaard got given his first major chance at managing his country!!!! Can you imagine Alan Shearer or Teddy Seringham being offered the England job? Not on your nelly. What this breeds is the misconception that Italian and Spanish (or foreign, if you like) coaches are somehow better than their British counterparts from the off, no questions asked. Like it's some natural talent that the English lack. Managers in England are not given this chance. Ince had to come up from Macclesfield and was shifted on after less than a year in the job. Keane was "lucky" to get the Sunderland job but then got sacked as soon as the going got tough. Some people believe that Tony Adams is finished already, at the age of 44 for crying out loud!!!! The culture in this country is to write people off before they've barely started. The point is, the big clubs in England have not taken on young managers. Ferguson has been at Utd for 22 years and is not going anywhere yet. The same can be said of Wenger at Arsenal. Liverpool and Chelsea have both opted for young, foreign coaches. Over here clubs try not to chop and change managers. Continuity is the key meaning that oince someone like Ferguson and Wenger get going, no one else is going to stand a chance. Redknapp and Allardyce stand out because they've never been offered bigger jobs, despite the fact that they've proved beyond doubt that they can manage a limited squad and budget to reasonable success. They've only ever been offered jobs at clubs with no profile or money so the best they can do is manage that, and they've done outstandingly well in this repect. You can only manage what you've been offered. Redknapps appointment at Tottenham could be a watershed. It's the first time in his career that he will have any kind of money to spend at all and it could be the making of him - the only shame is that it's taken him 20 years to get this chance, when players like Guardiola, Rijkaard, Mancini and Ancelotti had them handedto them on a silver platter from the day they retired. Redknapp might only have one trophy, but considering he's never, EVER managed a club that was expected to win a trophy in the first place, that's some acheivement. A little perspective is required here.
fiorentina and parma have smaller budgets than newcastle. allardyce was very bad at newcaslte, though it is too short a time to judge him. other than to say, in life you have to take your chances, the rules are there for all of us. maybe good managers pick the right clubs and the right times to go there. mcclaren won a trophy at a small club, what do you think of him? if i said instead of redknapp, that mcclaren was a moron who couldnt manage his way out of a supermarket if the exits werent clearly marked, would you think it was unfair critisism because i had never managed and he had won a cup? benitez at valencia, young and inexperienced? check his cv. ancelotti had his chance at the serie a equivalent of newcatle and spurs. he managed to get hold of players like veron, buffon, canivaro, thurim. he also won the uefa cup. mancini spent time at fiorentina and lazio. in his first season was fiorentina he won the italian fa cup. a couple of years later he did the same with lazio. he also took lazio into the top 4 in italy and the cl. which english manager would you reccomend to chelsea now that they have a vacancy (sort of). what are you reasons for nominating that person as well. i will counter any name you bring forward with a far better alternative who is not english.
Fiorentina and Parma are not the equivalent of Newcastle. Newcastle are a club in perrenial turmoil with no stability and fans who's expectations are through the roof, an owner who invests nothing and a squad full of pathetic cry babies. Name me the last player to retire who was offered a EPL job straight away? Ince had to go down to League 2 to get his chance, Keane had to drop down to the CCC. The only job Shearer ris ever linked with is Newcastle. English managers need to buck their act up, but it cannot be denied that they lack opportunites. Simply put, can you imagine Man Utd offering the vacant managers job to Roy Keane? Despite the fact that Inter offered Mancini their managers job? McClaren could have been a good manager. His problem was he took the wrong job. He went from 'Boro to England. A bigger jump in job profile is not possible anywhere else in football. Redknapp is a decent managefr, believe me. He'll throw out the rubbish at Tottenham in the summer and bring in quality. I'd trust him with a big clubs budget. He has experience in the game and is tactically more astute than people give him credit for. Good example - Bobby Robson and Terry Venables. Both managed at international level, both managed Barcelona, of all clubs and attained success. Have any of them ever been given a crack at Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal or Chelsea. Answer? No. English manager simply do not get the breaks at our top clubs. 4 years ago I could have given you 5 better alternatives than Mancini to manage Inter, but who did they plump for? The Italian lad on his way up? Or the established managers with massive track records of success. The fact is, if you only ever go for established managers, how are the break through coaches ever going to do anything? With a fraction of the budget of the big teams, the odds are stacked against them. That's why Redknapps FA Cup triumph stands out so much.
Southgate probably as he is still in the job, albeit probably clinging on. Vialli and Gullit were offered Prem jobs as their first management jobs. So was Pearce. Coleman too. As for Roy Keane being linked to Man U. At the moment this looks unlikely however if you go back 6 months or so you will see the possibility being mooted by Man U fans. I am sure it was discussed here at BS. Similar talk was made about Bryan Robson at one time. Frankly I don't like the idea of players becoming managers at top clubs because they were big name players. Management is a different profession entirely than a Pro footballer. The same industry of football but the jobs require different characteristics. Being able to dribble around 7 players and score does not really help you manage a transfer budget or spot the potential in a young goalkeeper. I think it is good that the top clubs in this country go for managers who have proven themselves rather than to an ex big name player. The best English managers at the moment are Allardyce and Hodgson imo. Then it is probably Harry.
Hardly Inter, Parma or Fiorentina though, are they? Clubs with a recent history of winning things......
Sorry, can't agree with you Harry. I think we lack managers with intelligence in the country, the vast majority are part of the 'shout at them and if that don't work shout louder' brigade.
mancini coached fiorentina and lazio, both of whom were very broke and very much in turmoil when he took them over, worse than newcastle by far, nothing like newcastles budget in fact. fiorentina were newly back in serie a after going bankrupt and dropping divisions. and lazio had been selling every player worth a price after the cragnotti money and all their players left. he won the italian fa cup with each side. its nothing like roy keane being given the manutd job. and mancini as damn succesful. this success followed with more success at inter, in the form of scudetti. mancini was not offered a job immediately. he came to england and worked at leicester with peter taylor first (though this didnt work out) ancelotti managed in serie b for a season before parma iirc. so what if few english managers get their chance at the very top. those that do get chances invariably flop. if there is a paucity in recent ex pros being given managerial reigns at pl level its because they have made such hashes jobs that come their way. examples: - mcclaren kacked it at a higher level - hughes rubbish compared to sge t city, and with better players and more money. - the ex england pros brigade: merson, ince, southgate, adams, platt, gazza, stuart pearce, carlton palmer, terry butcher, john barnes, bryan robson, mark wright, graham rix, ray wilkins, trevor francis, kevin keegan, glenn hoddle. all CRAP records in management. also, its a really good example. who would you trust with chelsea? mcclaren? allardyce? redknapp? or hiddink? mancini? spaletti? rijkard? klinsmann?
I appreciate that it would appear that England lack managers but I can't understand how. David Moyes and Martin O'Neill were brought into EXACTLY the same football culture and yet they have not struggled at all. On the contrary they have glowing reputations which keep getting better and better all the time. McClaren, Southgate, Adams, Ince and Allardyce are not worse managers because they're missing something genetically, are they? It's not a genetic thing that English people can't manage a team. On the contrary Allardyce is a stickler for detail in much the same way Mourinho is, yet he's enjoys no where near the same success or profile. Having worked with Sir Alex Ferguson for years you'd have thought that McClaren would be a fantastic manager, but as soon as he got his hands on the wheel, he f***ed it all up, royally? While we have been failing miserably Italy have sat back and watched Lippi, Capello, Ancelotti, Trappatoni and Mancini succeed at the highest level while Zola appears to be turning into a pretty decent coach too? 4 of those managers have won the Champions Leaghue while another has won 3 league titles and a hand ful of cups. What the hell is going on? I still do not believe that Parma are on the same level as Newcastle. Parma won the UEFA Cup not 10 years ago and have had players such as Cannavarro, Buffon, Veron, Adriano, Crespo and Almeyda play for the club in seasons gone by. Fiorentina have had their ups and downs but in the recent past they've had Batistuta, Rui Costa, Toldo, Padalino, Edmundo, Mijatovic and Di Livio play for them. These clubs enjoy a much higher profile. Newcastle are a bag of pants and can count Alan Shearer and an injury prone Michael Owen as their stars.
its very simple. we have played working mans football for our history. we valued physical prowess and honesty and work rate ahead of fancy dan showboating, intelligent defending and use of game theory. we now play a different sport altogether. it is taking and will take bloody ages for us to get in line with the countries whose game we are now attempting to emulate. but, at least the wheels are in motion. and think of the glory that will come when we are able to play the same game as the rest of the world. we have more interest in football than any other country on earth, our 4th division will put most countries second division to shame when it comes to fans attendance and interest. we have conference league matches televised nationwide. one day, our kids will be playing the modern game and they will be nurtured by coaches at grass roots and schools and clubs across the country who play the modern game. then we have a change of having a national team record to mirror our clubs. but untill then, all our managers are, unfortunately, glorified p.e. teachers. its changing, very slowly, but it is changing. the only way to speed things up would be a stalinist purge of all our coaches at all levels and the import of foreign coaches at all levels. but this wont happen. the natural progression is wokring out ok though. first the foreing players come to the prem and show us what we should be doing, followed by the coaches, and these have been succesful, showing clubs lower down what the route to sucess is. then the teams in the football league start getting some foreingers, and we need these to succeed , like matteo, martinez, obviously qpr not doing well with foreingers and it didnt work for watford with vialli, but our lowere league sides have the budgets to get serie b, championait, dutch league players etc. we have the money, all we need is the powers in charge of the clubs to see what the key to success is. unfortunatley still, many of these people are the old fashioned traditionalist types, which retards our progress. but, im sure we are slowly on the right track.
Again, this makes no sense. Beckham, Scholes and Giggs were all brought up with Sir Alex Ferguson, in England. They all display the same incisive passing and techincal expertise demonstrated by the likes of Iniesta and Xavi last night, despite being raised in this country. Players like Lampard and Gerrard do not, despite being coached by Gerrard Houllier, Rafa Benitez, Claudo Ranieri and Jose Mourinho. Coaches like McClaren and Peter Taylofr inparticularly are coahces who base their methods round technique, rather than physical excertion. It goes deper than merely ignoring the technical side of the game.
LOL. Phillip Neville and Nicky Butt are not exactly well known for their technical ability! Were they not brought up by Fergie too? If a manager is at a club for 20 years or so he is bound to unearth a few skillful players from the thousands that come through the youth system.
My point wasn't about the players, it was about the managers. So it's just a cultural thing, then? Nothing more? English managers are just natually worse than everyone else......... Right, that makes sense. Personally I'm going to be watching Harry Redknapps tenure at Tottenham with great interest. Providing he's given time to mould his team I'm expcting him to acheive something good.
harry, you can't deny, for a country of our size, and ppulation, amount of interest in footie and numbers of coaches needed for the sheer number of clubs, we have been absolutley woeful at producing decent managers. and our three best in these isles, are a norn irishman, and two scots. obviously its not genetic so it must be something to do with idiosyncracies of uk english football. and history clearly shows that save a few examples, we dont produce innovative managers, or managers that value technique particularly highly. why is this so difficult to see. we know english football has always been spectacularly insular, and that we have rarely produced the likes of gazzas and rooneys, not to say we havent had some magnificent footballers. also , its no secret that our football has always been a lot rougher and physical than most other developed footballing nations.