Next manager after Berhalter

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  1. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    May 12, 2019
    I think both are gone from US Soccer. There was a quiet, but large amount of turnover in Earnie's first 18 months.
     
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  2. gogorath

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    May 12, 2019
    Yes, a very strong presence from club soccer, the clubs that fund high level youth development and make choices around it, on a technical development committee.

    You understand that committee has nothing to do with evaluating Earnie Stewart's performance, right? Even when it existed?
     
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  3. gogorath

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    May 12, 2019
    Luis Enrique is a great coach who is going to go back to club soccer, but he also got as far in the World Cup as Berhalter with a much, much more talented team.
     
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  4. gogorath

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    May 12, 2019
    You think hiring their U21 coach was a serious and comprehensive search?

    Can you imagine if we hired Mikey Varas?
     
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  5. RefIADad

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    #780 RefIADad, Dec 8, 2022
    Last edited: Dec 8, 2022
    If I’m swinging for the deepest fence, I make a call to Pochettino. Im 98% sure he’ll say no, but I could see where he would want a break from club management. Maybe he looks at this team, sees a young team like he had at Spurs, and kicks the tires.

    An option that I think is both ambitious and realistic is Kasper Hjumland. He’s also probably a good example of why a coach shouldn’t coach more than one cycle, but he’s done a lot with a Danish team that has a similar type of profile as the US. I believe he also spent time in the US while in college, so he can balance the domestic and international aspects of the game.

    If we are looking at US coaches, my order is Curtin and then Schmetzer. I get Schmetzer is not a sexy candidate and Seattle had trouble this year, but I like how he’s had success being flexible and isn’t bound to a particular style. I think his management style would be a fit with the international game. I see him as a Southgate type, so your opinion on him would probably be aligned to your feelings on Southgate (I’m probably more positive than the general consensus).
     
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  6. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    My guess is that is what is called succession planning. They have probably know at anytime who the ideal candidate would be..

    You think Spain hiring their u21 coach is anything like us hiring Varas. Here is 61 yo Luis de la Fuent's new coaches resume. Please post Varas when you have time...

    Senior career*
    Years
    Team Apps (Gls)
    1978–1982
    Bilbao Athletic 59 (3)
    1981–1987 Athletic Bilbao 146 (1)
    1987–1991 Sevilla 86 (4)
    1991–1993 Athletic Bilbao 22 (1)
    1993–1994 Alavés 35 (3)
    Total 348 (12)
    International career
    1978–1979
    Spain U18 4 (0)
    1982–1984 Spain U21 4 (0)
    1988 Spain U23 1 (0)
    Management career
    1999–2000
    Portugalete
    2000–2001 Aurrerá
    2006–2007 Bilbao Athletic
    2009–2011 Bilbao Athletic
    2011 Alavés
    2013–2018 Spain U19
    2018–2022 Spain U21
    2021 Spain U23
    2022– Spain
     
  7. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    I love deep analysis like this. Berhaltrr gets coached off the field and Enrique couldn't break down an incredibly organized side while creating chances.

    The game is so unforgiving that results often don't tell a clear story. You could at least watch the Spain and see a clear identity. Zero consistency from the US side.
     
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  8. gogorath

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    I don't normally respond to you or see your posts but I made the mistake of clicking see ignored.

    That said, of all that listed, the only first division HC job on there was a three month stint at Alaves. The rest is youth clubs, or lower level and reserve jobs. He's been a national team youth coach for basically the last decade, although that does include a nice Olympic run.

    I'd imagine if we'd have hired someone similar -- even someone with a better playing career like him, there'd be a meltdown.

    Spain is what, a Top 5, Top 6 job in the world? They hired him a day later? You're telling me they did a worldwide search?

    They promoted from within. He may be a very good coach, I dunno. Southgate is similar and has gotten results for England. I also wouldn't be shocked if this was a de facto interim appointment.

    But they are staying the course after a disappointing World Cup. Which, by the way, I really enjoy watching Spain but they absolutely were the poster boy of possession without the ability to create enough real danger. They had that first game explosion which covers it up, but they struggled finding finishing in their other three games.

    Just think it's funny people are using this as a sign of a federation "doing it right" as if the Federation promoting someone from within with minimal HC experience is something that would be accepted here.

    It's Spain. Don't they have ambition? Why don't they go get Pep right now?
     
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  9. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    After the Klinsmann fiasco I don't see the USSF going for a foreign coach, not in a while.
     
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  10. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    So what you were really meaning all along was "the Federatioms ridiculous reaction to Klinsmann will set the USMNT back 10 years".
     
  11. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    It's part of it. The radicalization of a segment of the fan base who wanted everything to crumble once JK was out is enough to scare anyone.

    I'm not opposed to a foreign manager on principle, either. I just don't see it happening.
     
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  12. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    You are really going to dig in on this ignorance? The only thing you have here is this isn't a flashy big name club coach. You haven't provided any actual thought on his ability coach. This simple MLS is better than the 4th division of wherever. FIRST DIVISION!!! When any team in MLS is first division, it really weakens the meaning.

    He may not true out to be a great coach for them, but it is pretty easy as an outsider to understand how the came to the choice. He has progressed through their youth ranks coaching their u19, u21, and Olympic sides. He has had success at each level winning the u19 and u21 UEFA championships and the silver medal at the Olympics. You may not like it, but growing a coach with youth teams and promoting to the full side kinda at least makes sense.

    We dont have someone similar. We don't have an identity. We don't have quality coaches. Heck, we didn't have many youth national team coaches a couple years ago. We won't be able to have someone similar for over 20 years.

    They did their searching and considering who they want before this happened.

    Maybe this isn't as ambitious as they could have been. We will see. You should also understand the context in which Spain was brought up. It was some idiot claiming we needed months to sort things out. At least they ad a process in place to decisively get a guy that can logically be defended, even if he is the wrong one. It took us over a year to get the wrong one for some unknown reason last time.
     
  13. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    It really is too bad they couldn't evaluate what he did well and continue to try to replicate it and avoid other stuff, instead of trying blow everything and make playing weak MLS guys their strategy. It is clear they need outside ideas, but have closed themselves off to it.
     
  14. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Can you explain that? Why should fans be punished? I don’t understand the logic train.


    Two questions.

    How is wanting to be richest league in the world so stupid? And how is MLS trying to be like the EPL, outside of the obviously positive goal of wanting to be the richest league in the world?
     
  15. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  16. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hiring a youth coach without a ton of experience outside the youth levels isn’t really indicative of an extensive search. You’re telling me no one better was interested in the Spain job?
     
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  17. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
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    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don’t think it’d stop them from getting a foreign coach, but I think that they would vet that person extensively first to avoid some of the issues that arose with Klinsmann.

    We’ve only ever seen Stewart conduct one coaching search for US Soccer. I don’t think anyone has a good sense as to how he’d go about doing this one if Berhalter is out.
     
  18. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    fyi give them two weeks and after a full review GGG will accept a new four year contract for atleast a 300% raise.
     
  19. bsky22

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    Dec 8, 2003
    Not sure what you mean by better.
     
  20. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
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    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Spain is one of the elite teams talent wise in the world. They have the Euro qualifying, the Euros, World Cup qualifying, and the World Cup itself over the next 4 years.

    The guy they hired from the youth teams may ultimately end up doing a good job. But they certainly could have hired someone with a better pedigree and moving to the youth coach so quickly is not indicative of a real search.

    If we hired Mikey Varas next week, I don’t think anyone would be happy or would feel like we conducted a search at all. Nor would people feel that Varas was the best available coach.
     
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  21. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    1) I'd like a South American manager. Must be several high-caliber ones that aren't hugely big names that would cost an arm and a leg.
    2) What's the motivation for Gregg to remain should he not be fired?
    3) We gotta find a way to de-attach the NT's reliance on leadership and management coming strictly from MLS. Managers with experience in other leagues or coaching other NTs would be something worthwhile to take a chance on for the next 4 years.
     
  22. bsky22

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    Dec 8, 2003
    Better = pedigree. Good to know.

    Not sure why I have to say this again, but Varas doesn't have pedigree close to de la Fuente. I dont know a ton about how the Spanish federation runs the national programs, but guess it is a bit better than the US.
     
  23. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You’re telling all the names that we are throwing around for US coach wouldn’t be interested in the Spain job? Why wouldn’t Spain bother talking to them?

    A youth coach with very little experience coaching at the top level of the club game is not a manager for what you have a ton to go off. He may do fine, but this is a different level entirely from the youth teams.

    I’m not saying Varas is the same level of coach, just that us hiring him immediately after the World Cup is the equivalent of what Spain just did.
     
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  24. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    There is nothing equivalent about US and Spain.

    I dont know what Spain's process was and you don't either. I dont believe Spain has the history of screwing hiring coaches as the US does. It is as if you are arguing that Spain didn't make an optimal coaching choice so it is OK for the US to do the same.

    What Spain has done is make a decisive decision. Their decision making proces is likely very different from ours. What we are seeing from the US is the opposite. They have now pushed out an article that the team supports Berhalter and we are seeing that walked back.

    If you want to criticize this signing, I'd think you want to understand why they got rid of the last, guy, what they are looking to accomplish and then actually know something about the coach they selected. All you are doing is talking about where someone has coached.
     
  25. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I found this sentence very, very telling.
     

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