Rumor: Next England Manager Thread Discussion

Those two probably did their coaching badges abroad because the FA make them obscenely expensive. Ours are completely disproportionate in price compared to other big countries.

Then there's the issue of not being a big name in the game that inevitably comes with fewer opportunities. Just look at Lampard, Gerrard and Rooney's careers, took them two seconds to get good jobs. That's just the way things work in England but it's fixable if there's will.

 

Excl: Thomas Tuchel in talks with FA about becoming next #england manager. More on #ssn

— Rob Dorsett (@RobDorsettSky) October 15, 2024

I really don’t get this - feels like a Capello appointment with added good English Skills and English football experience.

https://www.skysports.com/football/...-in-pole-position-for-job-with-the-fa-in-talk

 

I mean, I disagree with that entirely, but if Capello spoke good English and had a good grasp on English football and English culture, could that appointment not have worked out well?

 

BREAKING: The FA is in talks with representatives of Thomas Tuchel, with the German coach in pole position to become the new England manager 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 pic.twitter.com/j7lWpzWVKg

— Sky Sports News (@SkySportsNews) October 15, 2024

 

Maybe but his camp management style did seem to simply create an environment the squad wanted to escape from.

 

How does it feel like Capello? in what way are they similar apart from being born outside of England

 

But what exactly makes you think Tuchel would do that?

 

Both are known for the combative personalities. Tuchel seems to have fallen out with either management or some of the dressing room at every job and after relatively short periods of time.

 

Something seemed to cause the dressing room splits that occurred at PSG and Bayern.

 

Bayern's dressing room was split when Tuchel arrived, it had been fracturing since before Nagelsmann joined. PSG have also never been as good a team as they were under Tuchel.

 

Tuchel seems much more personable, think your making comparison for the sake of it, don't think they are particular similar, especially as Capello's main issue was his lack of English/ communication skills.

 

And yet many of the PSG’s players hated him by the end.

Also I’ve read before the DFB don’t like him and it’s why he is not someone likely to get the German job anytime soon.

 

I’m not sure who I want. I wanted Carsley but that hasn’t worked out.

 

There's only been two English coaches in the four years. James Foster in 2022 & 2023 and Andrew Flintoff in 2024, both at the Superchargers.
Even at county level there's a heavy foreign influence - 7 of the 18 teams had overseas coaches (although Dale Benkenstein and Ottis Gibson have long associations with the county scene) and two are former England coaches (3 if you count Mark Robinson who managed the Women's team). It doesn't really leave much if you're wanting an English head coach for England.
There's only really Anthony McGrath that's had any sustained success, although Jason Kerr has done well at Somerset and it's difficult to judge Gareth Batty at Surrey due to the strength of the side he took over and their financial advantages.
The ECB are likely looking to see if Flintoff can progress well to take over from McCullum, but if he doesn't then my guess is Ryan Campbell will be next in line.

 

I'm all for it

 

Thomas Tuchel is still under contract at Bayern until June 2025. Bayern assured him back in February that he will be allowed to join another club/national team as a free agent without his new employer having to pay a compensation to Bayern. Tuchel is currently the favourite to… pic.twitter.com/bToy393ZZU

— Bayern & Germany (@iMiaSanMia) October 15, 2024

 

If we get Tuchel my guess is it'll end in tears. I still look at what he did to hudson-odoi at Chelsea. He hadn't been there 5 minutes and he played him at wingback then subbed him off after bringing him on as a sub and that was all after hudson-odoi had just comeback from a really bad injury.

 

🚨🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Thomas Tuchel remains one of the candidates for England job to replace Lee Carsley.

Pep Guardiola is dream candidate for FA but City remain confident to keep him at the club with new deal.

Tuchel, on shortlist since July — he’s been approached, as @RobDorsettSky reports. pic.twitter.com/sF8r33np74

— Fabrizio Romano (@FabrizioRomano) October 15, 2024

 

As far as I see it, the pros of Tuchel slightly outweigh the cons, although the cons aren't to be taken lightly.

- Perfect for knockout football
- Proven winner
- Understanding of English football and culture
- Style of football is suited to the international game; excellent OOP coach and understands how to platform attackers with freedom

- Probably not a long term fit, question marks about man management over a long period of time
- General success rate of foreign managers vs. natives in international football
- Some have questioned his talent ID in the past (although it's TBD how valid that criticism is imo) so he might make a few selections people don't like

 

Could also say his style is not particularly entertaining so until the important matches things could be a bit dull. Which can be a good thing but maybe not for everyone’s taste.

 

Yes I'd rather watch carsley style gung ho and lose

 

I think the FA had a big part to play in Carsley's eventual failure. That's why I didn't like the whole interim thing, they should have appointed Carsley in September and that's it, a lot could have been avoided by doing that and he wouldn't have been put in such a silly position.