Rumor: Next England Manager Thread Discussion

This ITV interview?

• Bouncing back from defeat
• Trent Alexander-Arnold's performance
• His future with the England job

Lee Carsley reacts to England's victory away in Finland 🇫🇮🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿#ITVFootball | @gabrielclarke05 🎤 pic.twitter.com/CQY7OrRIoC

— ITV Football (@itvfootball) October 13, 2024

ITV: Do you want the job beyond November?
CARSLEY: I've not really thought that much about it. I keep saying the same thing. My remit was to do six games, really happy with that, privileged position that I'm in. Really enjoying it, didn't enjoy it the last couple of days [...]
ITV: When reports are out that that you don't want the job, that's not true?
CARSLEY: I think people are always going to put their chips on one side. I'm totally in the middle. My bosses have made it totally clear what they need from me. This job deserves a world-class coach that's won trophies and been there and done it, and I'm still on the path to doing that.

I mean, by all means ask him to clarify the comment about a world-class coach, which is a bit unclear after he's plainly refused to rule himself in or out. If you conclude from it that he's ruling himself out then you either have the memory of a goldfish or you're playing silly buggers. He literally just said that he isn't.

 

I think if it was the first time he caused confusion it wouldn’t have got this reaction but he caused confusion on Thursday as well by not being clear on what he was trying to say.

 

He's explicitly said multiple times now that he won't rule himself in or out, both before and after articles were published claiming otherwise. You reach some bizarre conclusions at the best of times so I can't honestly say I'm surprised that you missed it.

 

It wasn’t only me. Every one took those comments as him saying he doesn’t want the job or doesn’t think he is ready or suitable.

 

Most people probably didn't watch the interview so they're going on the headlines. Presumably you have by now, so what's your interpretation of this?

ITV: When reports are out that that you don't want the job, that's not true?
CARSLEY: I think people are always going to put their chips on one side. I'm totally in the middle.

 

Whatever the case he can't have the job now. He's acted like a right fanny in this break. Clearly not ready for this size of job.

 

I find it hard to pin a tonne of blame on Carsley. He never applied for the job and shouldn't have been put in a position of such scrutiny. This is the FA's fault for having no conviction and trying to go down the cheap/easy route of replacing Southgate, avoiding making an bold decisions.

He's said from the very start that he's here for three camps, he's never once said he wants it or even considers himself a future England manager yet the press are trying to microanalyse every word he says in between that. He's been consistent in his stance from the start and if he comes out and says he doesn't want it in public, he likely knows that reflects very poorly on the FA who've clearly hoped they can convince him to take it full-time.

I find it difficult that Carsley's stance on the full-time position has changed that much since taking it, unless he was that naive as to not consider all the crap that comes with this job.

 

He's done us a favour really, by emphasising in big bold CAPITAL letters that we need an experienced manager who knows how to get a midfield competing, can rectify things when we're getting sucker-punched by counterattacks, and isn't swayed by big reputations.

 

The problem is whoever is hired now will inevitable face a very hostile media and therefore it will be quite negative and toxic all the way to the World Cup unless performances are constantly sensationally. Potter and Tuchel particularly will both be targeted for several reasons. FA management in that situation can never be trusted to then not interfere and pressure whoever is hired to switch course to get a better reception. The media already sense the FA’s obvious lack of trust in anyone likely to be appointed to manage the team after the chaos the search has been already.

 

A few thoughts on the England succession...

When Gareth Southgate stood down after the Euros, the FA placed Lee Carsley in interim charge for the September-October-November internationals, effectively giving them until March 2025, eight months, to find a long-term successor.…

— Henry Winter (@henrywinter) October 14, 2024

He is not the only journalist saying Potter doesn’t seem to want it.

 

Winter's talking nonsense. The FA's "plan" only made sense if Carsley gave them a very clear indication that he wanted the job permanently. The fact he never applied for it tells you all you need to know. The FA have very much been "dithering".

He also very clearly doesn't have any inside info about Potter. Him saying the FA "surely would have appointed Potter if he'd been interested" is also way off imo, because I don't think Potter was many people's choice, including the FA.

 

In fact it feels like the FA really don’t want Potter for some reason. There was a suggestion in one article that the FA were put off by his time at Chelsea.

 

There are reasons to be sceptical of Potter but there are reasons to be sceptical of every other candidate. Plenty of positives too. At this stage it is what it is.

 

You can't have it both ways. One minute you're saying the FA are slow and indecisive, then the next you've got their CEO, Mark Bullingham, leaping onto Thomas Tuchel or whoever, and telling them how they should play football. Lee Carsley pretty much ruled himself out of the running to be the next England manager by virtue of a shambolic performance against Greece - not through anything the press, social media or the FA did. Your ongoing belief in the omnipotence of these is really ridiculous.

 

I'd still probably give it to Carsley, I think he's a good coach with good ideas. Now's the time for the FA to sit down with him and work out if the job is for him or not. Don't really pay much attention to Media or Socials around England, so honestly don't care to much about toxicity or any negativity as others obsess about.

 

Not for me. Southgate's reluctance to make changes early seemed to stem from sheer bloody stubbornness. Yet Carsley's refusal to shore things up at halftime against Greece and switch from a back two, smacked of a rabbit caught in the headlights. He didn't see the obvious warning signs - and that lack of big game experience at club level just gets me doubting whether he'd have the wherewithal to negotiate the heftier tests to come at international level.

 

Fair enough, I'm not ready to write him off based on that game alone, its seems others have done a complete 180 on him as a result of that (which is fair enough but I've seen plenty of crap England performances under every coach). Just looking at the landscape and the other candidates (some of whom we have no clue if they're interested) I'd still go with Carsley.

 

Gary Lineker reveals he has 'heard rumours' about England's search for a new manager and explains why 'defeatist' interim boss Lee Carsley is now 'protecting himself' https://t.co/KbL1KA2ffc pic.twitter.com/WVNLZsTKKo

— Daily Mail Online (@MailOnline) October 14, 2024

 

I think on this occasion you can forgive those of us who have switched our opinion on Carsley, on the back of the Greece game. Erik ten Hag has quite rightly been ridiculed for creating a United team that has no discernible identity or method to its madness - it's disorganised chaos - and I'm sorry, but the manner of England's Greek defeat bore all the same hallmarks. It should really have been impossible to do, with the group of players he had at his disposal.

 

🔺 EXCLUSIVE: Pep Guardiola has been sounded out about becoming England's next manager and is expected to decide on his future in the coming weeks.

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— Times Sport (@TimesSport) October 14, 2024

 

https://www.thetimes.com/article/4e...4?shareToken=3643507ba79ef8f0753266f6a66fe94b
Pep Guardiola has been sounded out about becoming England’s next manager and is expected to decide on his future in the coming weeks.

It is understood the Football Association made informal contact with the Catalan at the start of this season. While the FA are considering other candidates and no decision has been made on a permanent successor to Gareth Southgate, Guardiola would be the standout option should he choose to end his stay at Manchester City.

Guardiola, who is yet to respond to the FA, is out of contract at the end of the season and has not decided his next move

He is not the only manager who fits the bill. Thomas Tuchel, who won the Champions League with Chelsea in 2021 and is out of work, is thought to be attractive to the FA.

Lee Carsley is not expected to remain in the running.

The FA intend to keep the details of their search, and of any discussions with coaches, confidential. Installing Carsley for the autumn Nations League programme initially offered breathing space, but last Thursday’s defeat by Greece and Carsley’s mixed messages about whether he sees himself continuing in the job, have accelerated the need to conclude the recruitment process.

Guardiola will make a decision in the coming weeks as he wants to make sure that he does not leave City in the lurch if he decides to depart. Out of respect to City, he wants to give them clarity on his future as early as possible so they have enough time to sound out a potential replacement if he leaves

 

I still will be amazed if it happens.

 

With your prediction rate, I guess that means it’s a sure thing

 

Genuinely hope it doesn't happen. Would be shocked if he didn't want a break after eight years at City and I can't imagine we'll be able to offer him a financial package tempting enough. Let's see.

 

Anyway if it’s doesn’t happen who is leaking from the FA. They not making the FA look good if they talk about high profile names like Guardiola and Tuchel and end up reluctantly hiring the (most likely) option of Potter.