Rumor: Next England Manager Thread Discussion

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  2. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    I wonder how this will go down if it happens.
     
  3. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    In your opinion, what realistic appointment would go down well?
     
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  4. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Probably none but I think Tuchel is one of those managers who will very much divide opinion even on here when Potter would be better received.
     
  5. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    Genuinely, almost no appointment would unanimously go down well so it really doesn't matter. I don't think Tuchel would even go down that badly. The main annoyance would be that he's not English but he literally won the Champions League only like 3 years ago. This is the kind of man the average England fan has been asking for.
     
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  6. Crvena Zvezda

    Crvena Zvezda Member

    Manchester United
    England
    Apr 11, 2017
    I'm failing to see why Potter's name keeps being brought up, except for the fact that his is English and out of a job. He failed quite badly at Chelsea and has been doing nothing the last year and a half. I can't imagine for one moment us winning the World cup with him in charge.
    We'd be better sticking with Carsley. Fair enough he had a nightmare last night and set us up to lose from the start....maybe he could have got away with that kind of experiment at Under-21 level. But he can learn from it and nobody should be written off for one bad day at the office. He's done a good job in our other matches so far, as well as outstanding job for Under-21's....better than Southgate did. It was just something maybe that had to be tried at some point and would always go wrong, same as anyone else in charge would have at some point.
    If we've got Pep lined up to take the role at the end of thes season fair enough, Carsley can shuttle off back to Under-21's but Graham Potter? Seriously?!?
     
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  7. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    In all seriousness though I think this is a bit of media manipulation. I find it very hard to believe the FA have started talking to Tuchel so soon after one defeat.

    I think Tuchel wants the Man Utd job, and either him or his agent has pulled some strings and got Falk to tweet this out to start putting pressure on United.
     
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  8. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    1844848713510121850 is not a valid tweet id
     
  9. Gaz811

    Gaz811 Member+

    Everton FC
    England
    Oct 15, 2018
    I can't stand Tuchel. If it happens I don't think it'll go down well with players. It smells a bit like the fabio capello appointment. Also wasn't there rumours of something iffy going on in his private life.
     
  10. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Plenty of rumours about stuff at Chelsea and also rumours about stuff at Bayern. I am sure I remember his divorce was once front page of the Sun during his time at Chelsea. If he was hired then the FA are surely going to investigate and be confident he won’t be making any headlines for those reasons.
     
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  11. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Well, he had a stinker the other night so will give you that and I do agree that we need a better keeper.
     
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  12. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
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    Nobody thinks football works that way, including you. So what is the purpose of this performative stupidity?
     
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  13. Inter Row Z

    Inter Row Z Member+

    Oldham Athletic
    England
    Mar 26, 2023
    Yeah, yeah, we get it... and Saudi Arabia should be the world champions because they beat Argentina in the 2022 World Cup. If you ever do get past page one of the Dummy's Guide to Goading England Fans (for 5-6 year olds) then by all means, come back and try again. You really aren't rattling anyone.
     
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  14. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    Talent-wise, the US must be <50th in the world if they can't beat Panama in a home tournament, then. That's how this works, isn't it?
     
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  15. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    They haven’t. And Plan A still appears to be giving it to Carsley and making the Greece match seem a blip.
     
  16. Inter Row Z

    Inter Row Z Member+

    Oldham Athletic
    England
    Mar 26, 2023
    Nobody knows that. Instead of making random uninformed guesses and declaring them as fact, why not wait for the actual events to unfold?
     
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  17. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Could the FA really shoot for the stars and go for Pep Guardiola as England manager?
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/10/12/could-fa-shoot-for-stars-someone-like-pep-guardiola/
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    Appointing six-time Premier League winner would be most ambitious FA project since the governing body rebuilt Wembley

    When it comes to the next England manager could the Football Association shoot for the stars? If so, there is only one man in the conversation – the great coach of his generation and six-time Premier League winner, Pep Guardiola. Appointing him would be the most ambitious FA project since the governing body acquired, demolished and rebuilt Wembley.

    After the meltdown of the Lee Carsley interim show at Wembley on Thursday night, the options are narrowing rapidly. The two men in charge of the FA – John McDermott, the technical director, and Mark Bullingham, the chief executive – have not started interviewing alternative candidates. Mauricio Pochettino and Jurgen Klopp have new jobs. Eddie Howe is entrenched at Newcastle and determined to win his power struggle there. Graham Potter has said, thus far, that he wants a club job, although that may be because he senses a rejection coming from the FA.

    Thomas Tuchel is available and would certainly represent an elite-level appointment but even he cannot claim to be the leading man of the era.

    That, of course, is Guardiola. His current contract expires at Manchester City at the end of the season. Next summer will also mark the departure from City of director of football Txiki Begiristain, the man who originally championed Guardiola the coach and variously became his great collaborator, friend and expert recruiter. Guardiola has conquered the domestic game in Spain, Germany and England. He will be 54 in January. The Catalan has long said that he wants to coach an international team.

    That does not seem to be Spain, for whom he won Olympic gold and 47 caps as a player. His obsession as a child was with Brazil, and their famous yellow jersey. He grew up with the great Brazil side of the early 1980s which should have won the Spain World Cup in 1982. An 11-year-old Guardiola was living just one hour’s drive from where Brazil played their second group stage games in Barcelona, at the former Espanyol stadium.

    But England remains one of the last epic quests of world football. Is there a coach who can finally end the sequence of tournament failure? The FA has tried to throw money at the problem in the past, with the appointments of Sven-Goran Eriksson and Fabio Capello – both of whom took spending on the England manager’s salary to new levels. The FA would have done the same in 2006 with the Brazilian World Cup winner Luiz Felipe Scolari, had he not turned it down at the last moment.

    In all cases the view was that to solve the problem of England tournament failure, one simply just had to spend enough on the right manager. Unlike Guardiola, neither of England’s 21st century overseas managers had managed in English football, or seemed to know much about it, before they joined the FA. Guardiola is believed to earn around £20 million a year at City. In its most recent financial results for the year ending July 31, 2023, the FA announced a turnover of £481 million of which £80 million went on salary costs.

    Those costs will have included Gareth Southgate’s salary of around £5 million, although Guardiola’s would add considerably more. He may accept that moving to international football would require him to lower his expectations in that regard. Aside from the Middle East, there is no national association that could spend the same as a top Premier League club. Not that Guardiola would ever be cheap for the FA. As a not-for-profit institution that receives public money and ploughs all revenue back into football at all levels, spending is always a sensitive point.


    There are many more questions as to the effectiveness of Guardiola’s approach at international level, and all the other issues that come with it. But his appointment would certainly remove the pressure from the FA hierarchy. A name so big it would drown out all concerns about suitability and also those of us who feel the England manager should be English in order to preserve what makes international football different.

    No one will grumble about cost if England win trophy
    These are all decisions that Bullingham and McDermott face before Christmas. Carsley’s interim reign could well go into the March international break. The defeat by Greece raises the prospect of England not finishing top of their Nations League group and thus being in the play-offs for that competition in March. In which case World Cup qualifying will begin in September. It may do so either way if England are drawn in the smaller group of four for Uefa qualifying at the draw in December.

    The 2026 World Cup finals, across three huge countries, will be a challenge to win for even the biggest European countries. Two years later will come Euro 2028, played in Britain and Ireland, and a point at which England will surely have another strong chance of winning a trophy. Home advantage, a promising generation coming into their prime years, and for some of those players the experience of having reached the two previous European Championship finals could all be key.

    The FA will again be under huge pressure. The next World Cup will mark 60 years on from 1966. The governing body will also know that when finally England do win a trophy, no one will be grumbling about the cost.




     
  18. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    You have no clue what Plan A is, let alone B or C.
     
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  19. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    If this is true it is bizarrely negligent even for the fa to be dragging out the process so much. Wasting the nations league games with a caretaker is a really stupid use of the relatively few games we actually have for a new manager to get to grips with the team before the world cup.

    I really dont understand the fa’s thought process. If they wanted Carsley they should have just committed to him from the start. There was always the risk of a bad result casting doubt on him, my mind goes to De La Fuente losing at hime to Scotland in his first window.

    Now they are just in an awkward muddle where Carsley has not met minimum expectations and we for some reason have made essentially no progress in 3 months for what is a pretty short list of viable candidates.

    There was really no excuse for us to not have a permanent manager in place for the september games.
     
  20. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    It feels like the FA was scared of the backlash hiring Carsley full time without a trial would being so just hired him temporarily and hoped everyone would then be happy if he got it full time. Has not so far worked out fully as they hoped for but there is still three matches for it to do so.

    Now if they don’t go for him they might be looking at Graham Potter who is at best their fouth choice.
     
  21. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    I cant speak for what the fa and their thought process actually but i don’t understand the idea that the nations league would ever have paved the way for Carsley. People expected him to win all 6 games so he was always pretty much on a hiding to nothing with these games.

    The reality is basically no one who gets the job is going to be without criticism, it’s hard to imagine Carsley would have been given a significantly harder time in August than after winning a few matches people expected England to cruise through. That to say nothing of the high risk that England didn’t actually win all the games.

    it also doesn’t exactly give the appearance of much confidence of the fa in Carsley. What other nation needs someone to go through a protracted caretaker period to confirm the manager? If they truly, truly believe Carsley is right for the team then one game shouldn’t change it. But it makes it very hard to make the case they actually do believe that when they have dawdled on the decision so long.

    It seems like the fa just wanted the decision taken out their hands, which I guess to some extent it has been now.
     
  22. sinner78

    sinner78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 7, 2001
    Potter was only given like 11 games at Chelsea. How the hell can he succeed in that time.
    In that time he had some good European wins over Milan and Dortmund.
    If you watch that win in Milan its very impressive . In his time at Ostersunds he took that Swedish minnow to a good European run.

    Personally he would be my pick.
    Tuchel as the next best. I like Tuchel but he is known for falling out with people because of his intensity in the training ground.
     
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  23. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    1845072915521224800 is not a valid tweet id
     
  24. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
    I've read his post match comments and I don't understand his reasoning.

    Practiced it for 20 minutes when Kane was ruled out. Trying to be too clever

    That's a side you play when you are 1 down with 10 minutes to go in a knock out round. Or it's a friendly. Just odd.

    The only other thing I can think of is that it was way of shutting the press up. Look how stupid you are etc.
     
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