Rumor: Next England Manager Thread Discussion

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  1. Fireburn47

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  6. MrSnrub

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    I dont really see how Howe would be workable from a compensation perspective. Theres no way the fa are going to be able to pay an absolutely massive compensation package, i doubt even his current wages could be matched.
     
  7. horrisengleton

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    Who would people (on here) actually want if not Carsley now? My second choice was Poch but at this stage I think my preference is probably Potter if Carsley isn't gonna work out.
     
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  8. hussar

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    I think everyone here is aware of this, which is why I don't understand why every single journalistic guess has to be shared here.
     
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    #1185 horrisengleton, Oct 11, 2024
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    I'm not sure if I want Tuchel, but I will say that if it were between him and Pep, I'd pick Tuchel. I think tactically he's much more suited to international football because he lets attackers play off the cuff a lot more than someone like Pep and can drill absolutely ruthless OOP structures into his sides. He's one of the best tournament managers out there and was Pep's Achilles heel when he was at Chelsea. There are just massive concerns about the man management side of things with him.
     
  10. Fireburn47

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    It might depend on if Newcastle actually ask for one. If they don’t ask for compensation it could be viable if he accepts a pay cut.
     
  11. Fireburn47

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    Tuchel wouldn’t last long with the FA management either - he has always fallen out with club bosses and the FA are not known for being hands off.
     
  12. Fireburn47

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    What I worry about Potter is his time at Chelsea was chaotic and he didn’t seem to just get things meanwhile his Brighton team took so long to get going on that amount of matches we would be at Euro 2028 by then.

    Also a manager whose last job was such a failure won’t exactly be popular.
     
  13. Fireburn47

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    The Telegraph’s Jason Burt has wrote that it looks almost impossible for a serving PL manager like Howe or Postecoglou to be hired. He also says the FA cannot pay above £5million a year for a manager which rules out Pep and other elite managers.

    Tuchel is still being tipped for Man United and if he thinks he can get that he probably choose that over England.
     
  14. Fireburn47

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    I think the FA surely won’t go anywhere near Mourinho.
     
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  15. Fireburn47

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    No decision until 2025 according to this.
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  16. Regis Prograis

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    Whos the journalist? I've never heard of that website/publication so presumably about as much chance it's accurate as seeing it scrawled on the toilet walls of a local boozer.
     
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  17. Fireburn47

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    So if Carsley goes it be Potter or Tuchel then. No idea which of those two the FA prefer.

    Article mentions his release clause is £6 million which the FA presumably can’t pay.

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    Howe’s release clause understood to be more than £6 million – £1 million more than Gareth Southgate is thought to have been paid by the FA.

    Eddie Howe has no desire to leave Newcastle United to become England manager and remains extremely happy on Tyneside.

    Although Howe’s name features on a shortlist written up by the Football Association, including potential candidates to replace Gareth Southgate, Telegraph Sport understands it is aware of the Newcastle manager’s position after making tentative, informal enquiries to his representatives earlier in the year.

    There have been no further conversations. As far as Howe is concerned the matter is closed and his sole focus is on Newcastle.

    The Howe camp have, in turn, been led to believe that the FA wants to give interim manager Lee Carsley every opportunity to prove he is the right man for the job in the long term.


    Nevertheless, England’s embarrassing defeat by Greece in the Nations League on Thursday night and the confused, chaotic nature of the performance, have prompted serious questions about Carsley’s suitability for the role. That could mean the FA reaches out again to Howe, as well as other potential candidates.

    Howe’s future at St James’ Park has been called into question this season following the departure of his key ally, former co-owner Amanda Staveley, and former director of football Dan Ashworth.

    Ashworth was replaced by Paul Mitchell in July and his relationship with Howe has at times been a strained one.

    However, despite significant tension earlier this year, those problems have eased and the internal talk at St James’ Park is of a “collaborative approach”, as they plan for the January transfer window.

    Darren Eales, the Newcastle chief executive, insisted in July that the club would reject an approach for Howe, whose contract contains a release clause that would also make it difficult for the FA to afford him.

    The exact fee needed to activate his release clause is not known, but it is thought to be more than £6 million, which would be problematic for the FA to meet, given the financial pressures on the organisation and its responsibility for grass-roots football. Howe’s wage demands are also likely to be far more than the £5 million a year paid to Southgate.

    Mitchell: ‘I’ve never been scared of interest in any of our staff’
    However, Mitchell appeared to leave the door ajar for the FA to make an approach in an interview in September.

    “I’ve never been scared of interest in any of our staff members,” Mitchell said. “Especially our head coach, and especially from a level of organisation that the FA is.

    “We want Eddie Howe as our head coach for as long as we can. But we recognise that we are on a journey, and we recognise his quality and his potential as well. I think [the FA’s interest] it’s recognition of the two-and-a-half years he’s had here, and the job he did at Bournemouth.”

    Those comments did not sit well with Howe, who has always maintained, both publicly and privately, that he wants to stay at Newcastle.

    Should the FA make an approach to speak to Howe and Newcastle give them permission, that could alter the situation. Howe is a proud Englishman and has spoken previously of his interest in managing the national team one day, but that is not something currently on his radar.

    Speaking to Gary Neville’s Overlap podcast in May (watch in full below), Howe was asked if he would like to manage England when he leaves Newcastle. He said: “It’s a strange one for me because, when I’m in this mode [in a job], I’m totally oblivious to everything. I’m so focused on the day-to-day, that’s the truth, I don’t lift my head [up] and see what’s going on or what people are saying.

    “On the broader subject of the national team, my big memories are watching England in my early years and falling in love with them and wanting them to do well in the major tournaments… having that feeling of devastation when they didn’t quite get over the line.

    “I loved that feeling of watching the national team, I love England, I love Gareth and I hope England go on and win the Euros. I’ve never really thought about international football for me personally, but who knows what will happen in the future.”






     
  18. horrisengleton

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    Even if it could, the FA should never be paying £6m in compensation for a manager. If they could afford a fee like that it should be going towards grassroots football.

    It could end up being Potter by default. Feels highly unlikely that Ten Hag will see the end of the season and I think Tuchel knows that.

    Although in this scenario you can see the FA trying their best to make their Guardiola fantasy a reality.
     
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  19. Fireburn47

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    And we all know how it tend to go with hiring managers the FA do not really want but hired effectively by default due to others rejecting/being unavailable. Potter would be probably their fourth or lower choice (With Carsley, Howe and Guardiola all above him).
     
  20. ChristianSur

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    Howe if it were realistic, but I tend to agree that it looks unlikely. I'm sort of fine with the idea of Potter though - not the most exciting prospect perhaps, but the coaches who do well at international level are never the ones you expect, and I'd rather we took that gamble on an available English coach with a generally impressive track record than someone like Tuchel. There has to be a clear reason to overlook the English options for me, and I'm not sure what that reason would be for Tuchel. Guardiola, sure, but let's be realistic.

    Have to say though that I hope Carsley isn't out of the running. Clearly he's shown his inexperience here but we know he's much better than that. I hope he at least gets a few more games and the chance to show it.
     
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  21. Fireburn47

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    With Potter he will be coming in of the back of Carsley being seen to have failed as well as his own high profile failure at Chelsea. That’s a bit of baggage he would have to do try and deal with quickly despite his history showing he is a builder and not someone who makes instant results. Despite falling at Bayern Tuchel’s reputation in England is stronger because of his CL record.

    Depending on how things go next March could be the play off’s to get back to league A or even to stay in League B as the managers first two matches which mean instantly a good or bad start.
     
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    Sounds like the FA are still hoping to hire Carsley.

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    Governing body accused of dragging its feet with no formal interviews held two months after applications closed

    The Football Association has not yet formally interviewed any of the leading candidates to become the next permanent England manager – more than two months after the closing date for applications.

    It will prompt questions over the process to appoint Gareth Southgate’s permanent successor, which the FA insists is robust, ongoing and must remain confidential.

    The FA is not giving any updates on their progress, or lack of, in appointing a new manager while Lee Carsley is in charge as interim head coach. Telegraph Sport has been told that none of the external favourites have been formally interviewed.


    Eddie Howe, Graham Potter and Thomas Tuchel have all been heavily linked with the job, with Potter and Tuchel currently out of work and seemingly free to be interviewed.

    Manchester City manager Pep Guardiola remains a dream long-term candidate, with some believing the FA would be prepared to wait for the Spaniard if he gave it any encouragement.


    But while some candidates have been sounded out, either directly or indirectly, and checks have been made on individuals, it is claimed that formal interviews have not yet taken place. This is despite the fact that the FA’s closing date for applications was August 2.

    Governing body accused of dragging feet
    That will only harden theories that the FA have been hoping to promote Carsley and that prospect is not yet thought to be off the table, despite Thursday night’s shambolic defeat by Greece at Wembley.

    Carsley insisted after the game that he never viewed the permanent job as his to lose, while the FA has never veered from the fact he has been given three international breaks as interim head coach.

    That plan has not changed and the FA is not thought to be reading anything into Carsley’s post-Greece comments that he is hopeful of returning to the Under-21s once his initial period as interim head coach is over.

    It is expected that the FA do plan to interview several candidates before making a final decision, but a source with knowledge of the process accused the governing body of dragging their feet.

    The source told Telegraph Sport: “We keep hearing about a process, but what’s actually happening? Why has nobody been interviewed? What have the FA been doing for the past two months? They will hide behind the fact it’s confidential, but they haven’t formally interviewed anybody of any note.”


    The FA believes that in appointing Carsley as interim head coach for the autumn, it has effectively laid out its timeline without having to provide public updates.

    FA chief executive Mark Bullingham and technical director John McDermott are in charge of identifying the preferred candidate to succeed Southgate full-time and the source added: “What are their qualifications to appoint the manager? Do they even know how to?”

    McDermott role questioned
    McDermott has been a more visible presence around the England camp since the summer, with Carsley admitting publicly that he is being “highly supported” by the former Tottenham Hotspur academy manager.

    But that influence, which extends to watching training, has been met with suspicion by some around the England camp who believe his methods are old fashioned and that he lacks the track record to be effectively placed in charge of picking the best man for the permanent job.


    The FA is understood to be using a data company to help it identify and study candidates, which it is said will complement the interview process once it begins.

    In the meantime, Carsley has admitted that he will go back to basics in a bid to get England back on track following the horror show against Greece.

    At Wembley he squeezed Jude Bellingham, Phil Foden, Bukayo Saka, Anthony Gordon and Cole Palmer into the team and started without a recognised striker.


    Carsley is sweating on the fitness of captain Harry Kane, who he hoped would come through training on Friday, but the manager confirmed he was unlikely to stick with his Greece experiment against Finland in Helsinki.

    Asked if he will do the same thing on Sunday, Carsley said: “ probably won’t try that again on Sunday, I have coached enough to know we need to do something different. Had Harry been fit I might have gone down another route.”

    On Kane’s potential availability, Carsley added: “We are going to assess him, he is training [Friday] with us. He has scored a lot of goals. I’ve done three games and he has scored two goals, so he is a massive part of what we do.”

    Carsley insisted that the Greece game had not changed his own situation, but he refused to answer whether he definitely wants the permanent job. He did, however, acknowledge that public opinion may have turned against him, at least for now, and believes he can cope with that.

    “I am old enough to know it is a game of football,” said Carsley. “We have lost a game of football, we are forgetting that Greece were OK, they weren’t here just to lie down. Never too high, never too low.”

    Arsenal star Bukayo Saka is a doubt for England’s game against Finland after being forced off in the defeat by Greece with what appeared to be a hamstring problem.



     

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