https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...ley-not-sing-national-anthem-england-ireland/ ‘is understood that the FA did anticipate that the subject would come up in his press briefings and that it did help prepare him on the best way to deal with it. The wording of his rationale, emphasising that he was too “in a zone” to sing and that the anthem was “something I am really respectful of”, suggested it had been thought about with care in advance. But look at the essence of this story: a man born in England, schooled in England and with a 17-year senior career played entirely at English clubs, still politely refuses to sing the anthem of England. This was always a powder keg waiting to explode. There is no easy solution to this furore. It ill behoves any democratic society to turn the performance of an anthem into an act of coercion. But you cannot help but ask, with Carsley having only six matches to prove his credentials and make his temporary appointment permanent, if he might have had a less scalding baptism by taking the Sven-Goran Erikssonapproach to the anthem issue. “I’m not sure I ever entirely mastered God Save The Queen,” Eriksson once reflected. “But there I was, a Swede, standing in front of the bench and trying to sing it a bit.” It earned him instant affection from a fan base sceptical at best about the FA enlisting England’s first foreign-born manager. And it insulated him, crucially, from any claims that he was not showing sufficient respect to the office he held. There would be wisdom in Carsley striking a similar compromise. It would be preferable, surely, to the PR bonfire that he has now ignited.’
“I’ll be singing the national anthem - what others do is really up to them” - prime minister @Keir_Starmer on the Lee Carsley anthem story/non-story 🇮🇪🇬🇧 #IREvENG pic.twitter.com/vRpEY5ZKec— Stephen Murphy (@SMurphyTV) September 7, 2024
Well this is tiresome. Any chance you could limit your posts on the subject to somewhere below four hundred an hour?
Are we just going to be bombarded with posts about this bloody singing the anthem! Fireburn, I get your point even if I don’t think it’s a big deal but please give it a rest unless something meaningful happens.
Next we will see posts that Carsley should be sacked because he accidentally went to the wrong dug out……
There is actually a Daily Mail article ranting about him over that. I don’t think it’s satire. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...L-going-wrong-dug-writes-JONATHAN-McEVOY.html
Why am I not surprised with this right wing rag who clearly have a vendetta against him and will try and find any shitty story about him.
The thing is I don’t get why they dislike him much and are so determined to force him out. Who do they want?
Apparently Talk Sport has now moved on to debating on if he will wear a poppy in November. Trying to start a controversy months in advance now.
I'd suggest that you echo Talksport and move on too mate. Because just like the booing of players last season that you got into such a lather about, this is all so totally irrelevant.
Lee Carsley believes the ‘manager’ is becoming extinct as he coaches England’s new way@MiguelDelaney https://t.co/k22KqTUHhh— Indy Football (@IndyFootball) September 8, 2024 Lee Carsley admits huge doubts over taking England job - but he's growing in confidence | @johncrossmirror https://t.co/tKMwHiGOUj pic.twitter.com/YE75m1JA60— Mirror Football (@MirrorFootball) September 8, 2024
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c15gewlnvj3o 'Carsley has put his stamp on England - job feels like his to lose' https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5752162/2024/09/11/lee-carsley-england-manager-job-fa/ Lee Carsley already sounds like the England manager – is it his job to lose? Spoiler (Move your mouse to the spoiler area to reveal the content) Show Spoiler Hide Spoiler Almost as soon as Lee Carsley left the wet Wembley pitch on Tuesday night, after embracing his players and saluting the fans, his thoughts turned to October. It has been a whirlwind 10 days for Carsley, his first international camp in interim charge of the England senior men’s team, stepping up from managing the under-21s following Gareth Southgate’s post-European Championship departure. Two games, two good wins, two clean sheets. Three England debuts, 100 caps for Harry Kane and one media storm about Carsley’s patriotism successfully negotiated. But in three weeks’ time, Carsley will be announcing his next squad, before hosting Greece here at Wembley on October 10 and then flying to Helsinki two days later for a game against Finland. And that England squad will not look like this one. Even before he spoke to the media last night, Carsley was thinking about those matches in October, about the players who will be newly available to him, about the need to freshen up this group, and which players selected this time will have to miss out. How he fits in the anticipated returns of Phil Foden, Jude Bellingham and Cole Palmer will be one of next month’s biggest questions. Carsley is already juggling different goals. His first priority is to get out of the Nations League’s second tier, which means winning this group, which also contains the Republic of Ireland. Two wins from the first two group games is the perfect start. Next month, England will have to do it again. He knows that the bigger prize is the World Cup 2026 qualification campaign, starting in either March or June, depending on any involvement in the Nations League’s play-offs in the first of those windows. “It’s important that we’re in a strong position,” he said on Tuesday night. Hearing Carsley think out loud about all this, it was hard not to conclude that he sounds like an England manager already. He has been very careful over the past week or so not to sound presumptive about whether he will get the permanent job. He knows it is an honour to be in this position. He spoke about the heavy sense of “responsibility” and the “pressure” he feels to get the most out of these players, helping them to play their best football on the biggest stage. He does not take this work at all lightly. Again, he was there taking the warm-up drills just before kick-off against Finland last night, stood out in the rain rolling balls into the rondo in the middle of the pitch, looking as committed as ever to the nuts and bolts of coaching. This home win was a far less dramatic occasion than England’s visit to Dublin at the weekend. That game, or rather the whole trip, showed the unique challenges of what people used to call ‘The Impossible Job’. Not just a hostile away atmosphere but plenty of thorny non-football issues, from dual nationality for the English-born former Republic of Ireland international through to whether or not he would sing the national anthem before the game. And yet Carsley emerged from it with dignity intact and reputation enhanced. Politics, scrutiny and difficult questions are a big part of international management. But so is setting up a team to deal with compact, low-block opponents on a sedate, rainy night at Wembley. International football throws up at least as many games like this as it does ones like Saturday’s at the Aviva Stadium, where the crowd is on top of you and the players need no extra motivation. This is the reality of being in the Nations League B section: after Greece in October, England host Ireland in November. Plenty of their World Cup qualifiers will look like last night, too. It was always going to be a test of England’s brains and patience, and they came through it. Trent Alexander-Arnold, now England’s first-choice right-back for the first time in his career, was brilliant, playing some beautiful passes throughout. He was involved in both goals and England look better for having him in the team. Angel Gomes was brave and intelligent on the ball, rewarding Carsley’s trust, and giving a glimpse of the football Carsley wants this team to play. Noni Madueke, another Carsley pick he knows from the under-21s, was dangerous against tired legs as a substitute and made the second goal. Two games is not enough time to make a judgement on the manager. But the fact is that HMS Carsball is now launched and sailing in the right direction. It has some different qualities from its predecessor: Alexander-Arnold inverts so Declan Rice can go box-to-box. Anthony Gordon runs in behind from the left. Attacking positions are interchanged to find a way through. Whether Gordon and Jack Grealish survive the returns of Foden and Bellingham will be the decisive issue of next month. Watching this team starting out makes you want to see what they do next. Of course, Carsley has only been given the job on an interim basis, initially for this camp, with a view to doing the October and November ones as well. Until he is permanently confirmed in the role, the public will wonder if anyone else has a chance of getting the job. For the FA, their recruitment process is still running in the background, even while Carsley is sitting in the main chair. But equally that process is being conducted in a private and discreet way, to put it mildly. The FA has not yet sat down and spoken to any of the leading external candidates for the job, leaving some wondering what exactly the ongoing process constitutes. (The FA declined to comment on this.) The work that is being done, led by technical director John McDermott and chief executive Mark Bullingham, involves thorough due diligence on possible names before the FA interviews anyone. (Mauricio Pochettino is now off the table, having been confirmed as the new United States men’s team coach late last night.) This succession plan was drawn up even before the Euros this summer, in the knowledge that there was always a possibility that Southgate would leave at the end of the tournament. Southgate did indeed step down after England lost the final to Spain in Berlin; the plan is now being enacted. And these are still relatively early days: the closing date for applications to be the new head coach was still less than six weeks ago. Carsley was only announced as being in interim charge a month ago. The FA still has plenty of time on its side, if it does want to run a long, competitive interview process. Because, at some point in the next few months, McDermott and Bullingham will finally make their recommendation for the new head coach to the FA Board. And every assured step that Carsley takes from here, to Helsinki in a few weeks and Athens in November and back again, makes it likelier that the chosen name will be his. Lee Carsley passes audition and will get job, but heat not on yet https://www.thetimes.com/sport/football/article/england-finland-analysis-martin-samuel-xq887shxs Spoiler (Move your mouse to the spoiler area to reveal the content) Show Spoiler Hide Spoiler The interim England manager has made an impressive start with six points from a possible six – but Ireland followed by Finland is hardly a baptism of fire. Joe Mercer, Graham Taylor, Terry Venables, Steve McClaren, Roy Hodgson, and now Lee Carsley. The list of England managers to have won their first two games without conceding a goal is not an extensive one. That only McClaren stretched that record to three games perhaps shows that international football is not as easy as many believe. So credit where it’s due. Nobody should begrudge or demean Carsley’s impressive start. This is about more than some, admittedly, poor opposition. Carsley said he wanted to put his stamp on the England team, and he did. He has changed the way the team play — a tweak, not revolution — and he did make bold individual selections that would not have been entertained by his predecessor, Gareth Southgate. And those changes, for the most part, worked. So this is positive, this is progress. If the European Championship campaign in Germany felt toxic at times, there is now an air of positivity that comes with change. It helps, too, when the man with the golden boots scores, twice. Harry Kane marked his 100th cap with his 67th and 68th goals for England to add to the feelgood mood on the night. Yet this was as much about the manager as his captain. Kane may have arrived with a point to prove after a summer of criticism, yet it is Carsley that is most obviously on trial. Fortunately, though, sometimes folk just see what they want to see. So his England are being judged as entirely different from that of Southgate when, for much of the first hour here, outcomes stayed largely the same. Lots of possession, few shots at goal and often too slow working the ball from back to front. Yet matters improved in the second half, a win’s a win, and Carsley has two. It’s the start the FA would have hoped for. At this rate, given the nature of the opposition, it’s going to be his job to lose Southgate got England into this Nations League group B, but he would almost certainly have got them out of it too, as Carsley will. And then he will get the England post on the back of that because how could he not? The Glazers believe they made mistakes that set a succession of Manchester United managers up to fail. Carsley is the opposite: set up to succeed. Greece, Finland and the worst Ireland side in recent memory. How could he not? It is as if the FA’s recruitment gurus do not fancy the hard yards, trying to prise Eddie Howe from Newcastle United. Carsley has an excellent age-group record — as did Luis de la Fuente, the winning coach of this summer’s European champions, Spain, which is helpful — is already on side and wants the job. The FA will now leave no stone turned in the hunt for their man. And, yes, there are changes from the Southgate era, and many work. Trent Alexander-Arnold looks at home at right back, played a lovely pass for Kane’s first goal, and began the move that resulted in his second. For all Kane’s heroics, Alexander-Arnold was probably the man of the match, although we await a test against a left winger of greater quality. This was a game that matched Alexander-Arnold’s strengths with the emphasis on attack and little defensive responsibility. The challenge will come if Carsley decides to trust him when those demands are reversed. Who is his right back in a final against Spain? Anthony Gordon on the left offered the balance often absent in Germany during this summer, again as many thought he might. He was, however, up against Adam Stahl, a 29-year-old right back who broke into the Finnish team only this month. Stahl plays for Djurgarden in Sweden. Against better full backs is when Gordon can truly be judged. As for Angel Gomes, he stands out in midfield for more reasons than one. English football doesn’t embrace 5ft 6in central players and it can be argued this is to our detriment. In Spain if a player is good enough, he is big enough, and look what they have won. Size shouldn’t matter. Yes. But would Gomes get in the great Spanish teams? That really does matter. There is a huge amount of promise in Gomes, who zips the ball around, and is always available for a return pass. Carsley wants to play in triangles and Gomes cuts some fine shapes. As ever, though, the problem with being relegated to group B is that all of the new coach’s big ideas and bravest moves aren’t receiving stern tests. That must wait, probably, until England know their World Cup qualifying opponents — and even then England are seeded, thanks to useless Southgate getting them to the European Championship final, and ensuring they would remain among Europe’s top four seeds. The muppet. It may be argued that a souped-up row over singing the national anthem curtailed Carsley’s honeymoon period before it had even begun, but that isn’t true. If Southgate had been in charge and paper aeroplanes had been gliding down on to the Wembley turf after just 18 minutes it would have been viewed as evidence of dissatisfaction. Right now, however, critics are still searching for positives, still trying to see the best in this England. They want Gomes to evolve into our Andrés Iniesta, they have quietly forgotten that Carsley is still to juggle this line-up with the returning Jude Bellingham, Phil Foden and Cole Palmer. Some very tough choices lie ahead. And nobody now sees Kane as a liability. Ollie who? Ivan whatshisname? What madman ever thought of dropping England’s captain and leading goalscorer? He’s got those golden boots for a reason, you know. So it was a very good night, to go with the good afternoon in Dublin. Six points from six and no goals conceded. If this was an audition, Carsley certainly gets a call back. Yet Southgate got England to two tournament finals and people still weren’t happy. This isn’t the impossible job but it is a tough one because the expectations are rightly high. England have rare depth right now. A manager who can lose England’s best three forward players and still pick Bukayo Saka, Jack Grealish and Gordon, is to be envied. One who can then remove Saka and Gordon and bring on Noni Madueke and Eberechi Eze is blessed. Carsley is a tracksuit coach who is happy to put cones out — and get struck in the face by a mis-hit ball during a one-touch session pre-match — who doesn’t want to be the spokesman for a nation or even sing the national anthem. If he gets the job — and he will — he has already made it clear he’ll be doing it his way. And so he should. But this is no baptism of fire. In truth, the heating hasn’t even been turned on.
Pretty weird to keep this dragging out at this point. The only thing I can think is if Carsley is skeptical over taking it and they wanted to give him time. Otherwise bizarre if this drags into future international breaks.
I think they seem to have committed themselves to the autumn being an interim period and might not shift from that.
https://talksport.com/football/2044157/lee-carsley-next-england-manager-aston-villa-fa/ Quiet Lee Carsley shapes England like Aston Villa legend – but ‘uncomfortable’ boss may need FA’s help https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/foot...r.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar Lee Carsley's chances of becoming permanent England boss discussed after opening wins https://metro.co.uk/2024/09/11/lee-...-21583662/?ito=article.desktop.share.top.link Has Lee Carsley done enough to become permanent England manager?
England hold talks with external candidates, despite Carsley making a strong claim for permanent jobhttps://t.co/P6BKpfWidt— Matt Law (@Matt_Law_DT) September 11, 2024 The FA open the process of discussing the permanent England head coach vacancy with external candidates - but Lee Carsley is making a strong case. Story: https://t.co/jB8e45Wo4W— Sami Mokbel (@SamiMokbel81_DM) September 11, 2024 🚨 Eddie Howe, Graham Potter and Frank Lampard remain on the FA’s radar for the England job.However, Pep Guardiola would still be their dream appointment.(Source: @Matt_Law_DT) pic.twitter.com/EBs6LTo2M6— Transfer News Live (@DeadlineDayLive) September 11, 2024 ‘England have left the door open in their hunt for a permanent manager by sounding out a number of external candidates. Telegraph Sport can reveal that, despite Lee Carsley’s encouraging audition as interim head coach so far, the Football Association have spoken with other managers. Carsley is currently considered the favourite to permanently succeed Gareth Southgate, but the FA is keen to explore all options before making a final decision. It is understood that the FA has spoken to a wide variety of managers, but refused to comment on the process or the identity of those candidates. Eddie Howe, Graham Potter and Frank Lampard remain on the FA’s radar, while some sources still claim that Pep Guardiola would be their dream appointment. Jurgen Klopp has already ruled himself out of the running, while Mauricio Pochettino has been confirmed as the new head coach of the United States national team. Carsley, though, is the current favourite for the permanent post after securing two wins from his first two games in interim charge. Not only did England beat Republic of Ireland and Finland, Carsley impressed FA chiefs with his handling of the debate surrounding him not singing the national anthem and made some brave squad and team decisions. Carsley confirmed this week that he had been given six games in interim charge, which means the next matches he must prepare for are those against Greece and Finland in October ahead of the final double-header of that spell, against Greece and Republic of Ireland in November. The FA will continue their appointment process until then with a view to settling on a permanent successor to Southgate, whether that is Carsley or somebody else, before the 2026 World Cup qualification campaign kicks off. Carsley’s next test will be to integrate star players Jude Bellingham, Phil Foden and Cole Palmer, who all missed his first two games in charge, into his squad and team in October without upsetting England’s balance.’ Imaigne the reaction I’d they don’t offer him and announce Frank Lampard instead,
Logicslly he shouldn’t be considered but it is the FA who could for some reason decide he is the only option.
The dream appointment is Pep with Carsley as assistant. Carsley to then take over when Pep has a mental beakdown.
If Frank harbours aspirations of managing England one day, then why doesn't he follow the Southgate/Carsley route and start by coaching the U21s. He's not going to get a PL job any time soon, and his stock isn't so high that he should see it as a step down.