Rumor: Next England Manager Thread Discussion

Discussion in 'England' started by BarryfromEastenders, Oct 5, 2022.

  1. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    I'm struggling to see why any of that matters all that much. Try to be less concerned about the FA making a decision that will appease the press and people online and focus more on a candidate that makes the most sense for the team.

    Pretty much whatever happens there will be sections of supporters and the press that are unhappy, if you accept that then you can look at this appointment purely through a footballing lense and discard the noise that will surround it.
     
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  2. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    If they want Carsley they should hire him as the permanent manager from the off - not an interim. Interim implies temporary and not quite up for it full time.
     
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  3. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Southgate had four games as interim boss because of a similar need to get someone into the role for upcoming games. It doesn’t create a summation of anything other than a necessity to get something in place.

    I can’t see how you can competently appoint someone officially at this point with the time scale.
     
  4. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Through that was after Alladyce was sacked a couple of weeks before matches. They have had 6 weeks and should really have a had a first and second choice lined up in case he quit. Baring in mind football mangers are often hired very quickly.
     
  5. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    Surely it can't take that long, I mean realistically how long can you drag out the interview process for the job? Unless they go for a surprise candidate, it seems extremely likely the eventual candidate will come from the list of favourites from the very start, all aside from Howe are freely available. I would assume McDermott is competent enough to have at least done work in the background in the meantime also given its long been known that Southgate was highly likely to step down post Euro's.

    Based on club jobs, there's really no reason for the hunt to drag into September.
     
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  6. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
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    It could be that they're actually doing some due diligence, and scouting them analytically the way you would a player. Using nothing but an interview process is quite crude when you think about it.
     
  7. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    Again though you'd expect that to have already been done. Teams don't wait till a player has left to start scouting.

    The likely pool of candidates has basically been unchanged since the last world cup.
     
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  8. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
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    Nov 5, 2021
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    Will we get news this week?
     
  9. Fireburn47

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    West Ham United
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    Nov 5, 2021
  10. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    I don't think we should be considering any foreign manager who isn't Pochettino. He both knows English football and English players very well and has the fundamentals to suit international management. I can't really think of any other foreign candidates who are even remotely suitable.
     
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  11. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    It's really difficult to imagine the eventual manager being anyone other than Potter, Carsley, or Pochettino really, which is one of the reasons I find it strange there is expectation this will require a interim manager. There's simply just not many managers out there who would be attractive to the FA and also within the budget constraints.
     
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  12. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    O’Neil maybe?
     
  13. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
  14. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    Well this isn't exactly new information
     
  15. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
  16. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
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    To me it seems like the FA are not particularly worried about Potter getting a club offer in the meantime as if they were they would rush to hire him.
     
  17. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    It depends on a lot of unknowns. Who has actually applied? Who they actually want? Who they have doubts about (maybe Potter).

    It wouldn’t surprise me if Carsley hasn’t even applied but they want him to do so.

    Unless there is an elite option that is a massive favourite I think these type of decisions can drag.
     
  18. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
  19. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    https://www.hitc.com/england-to-tur...gate-replacement-may-not-be-named-until-2025/
    Lee Carsley has applied for the full time job and Ashley Cole will also apparently be the intermix assistant manager. I wonder what will happen the U21’s. Will someone get promoted up from the younger age groups


    https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/...eading-candidate-next-england-manager-3215329
    Pochectino is a leading candiate as well.

    When are the FA actually going to confirm Carsley as interim - surely going to have be fairly soon.
     
  20. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021


     
  21. Fireburn47

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    West Ham United
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    Nov 5, 2021
  22. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
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    Well, at least we can now take Pochettino’s name out of the equation. He’s agreed to become the next US head coach.
     
  23. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    I don't think the FA were actually that keen on appointing him. I'm speculating but I think their plan is to hope we look good under Carsley in the first couple of camps then give it to him permanently, which I think will happen, but if we look bad under Carsley they'll keep him in the post for a year then throw the kitchen sink at Guardiola at the end of the season. I hope the latter doesn't happen.
     
  24. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    You don't want the greatest manager in history?
     
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  25. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    I'm not averse to it down the line but I want to give Carsley a go. I agree that he's the greatest manager in history but I have reservations about whether or not his style of management will translate as well to international football. We don't have a great history with foreign managers either and others on here have aired concerns about whether a non-English manager could deal with the psychological aspects of playing for England that the players face in the way Southgate has, which I think is valid. I'm also not a massive fan of how he's evolved, his trajectory seems to be an ever more boring and conservative brand of football.

    I do think it's important that we try to platform our own coaches within the national team. If Carsley doesn't work out I'd be happy to go for a big name foreign coach in time for 2028 but I think we should be doing what we can to develop English coaches, so long as there are candidates who are good or promising enough.
     

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