Rumor: Next England Manager Thread Discussion

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  1. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

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    Nov 5, 2021
    Nope but the article mentions how Eddie Howe has adapted the time wasting type tactics of Simeone.
     
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  2. https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/next-england-manager-ange-postecoglou-160000474.html
    Ange Postecoglou is expected to be on the list of candidates being considered to become the next England manager.

    The Tottenham Hotspur head coach has been tracked by the Football Association for years.
     
  3. Serengeti_Boy

    Serengeti_Boy Member+

    Sep 15, 2009
    Serengeti, East Africa
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Tanzania
    Tuchel would be perfect. His cup record is great. I always say if you have a coach who is great at understanding tournament football, he does well at the NT level.
     
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  4. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    He just has a bit of a history of losing dressing rooms. Causes a lot of arguments both with players and with higher ups. I don't think you can afford anything but immaculate man management at international level. You might get one really good two-year cycle out of Tuchel but dressing rooms usually blow up under him.
     
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  5. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

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    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    And it is also easy to fall out with the FA who do struggle with being hands off.
     
  6. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

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  7. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    An Aussie in charge of our National team……that would just be embarrassing that they can provide us with a manager but we can’t produce someone ourselves. St.Georges Park really needs to have a long look at itself with regard to getting top quality managers!
     
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  8. Fireburn47

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  9. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

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    Nov 5, 2021
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...england-under-21s-interim-manager-english-fa/

    How Lee Carsley manoeuvred himself into pole position to become next England manager
    Former midfielder is emerging as a genuine option to take interim charge of the Nations League opener against the Republic of Ireland

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    Six months after turning down the Republic of Ireland, Lee Carsley finds himself in the position of potentially facing his former adopted country with England’s senior team.

    Carsley is emerging as a genuine option to take interim charge of England’s Nations League opener against the Republic in September, and it is a moment many will feel has been coming.

    After Gareth Southgate’s decision to step down from the senior team, Carsley is expected to be on the short-list alongside the likes of Eddie Howe, Graham Potter and Mauricio Pochettino.

    His candidacy is not the surprise many will claim, and insiders at the Football Association will argue that this is the role he has been preparing for throughout his coaching career.

    Indeed, the chances of Carsley succeeding Southgate cannot be easily dismissed.

    His association with the English FA actually stretches back to 2015, working with the under-19s, and his career trajectory has earned many admirers along the way.

    Like Spain’s Luis de la Fuente, who has just lifted the European Championship with Spain, Carsley has worked his way up through the junior levels to the under-21s.

    Last year, Carsley won that age group equivalent of the European Championship with England, beating Spain with a team including Cole Palmer, Anthony Gordon and Levi Colwill.

    He is fully supportive of the pathway and Professional Development Phase from the under-21s to the first-team, and that is a stance that will always earn the FA’s approval.

    It will probably not do him any harm that he once worked in Manchester City’s academy, too.

    A former midfielder, Carsley made his name at Derby County under Jim Smith as a reliable and dedicated professional. He was also known to be a very strong-willed, no-nonsense character.

    Old team-mates recall a tale of when Carsley was told in pre-season that he would be playing at right-back. Within days Carsley had knocked on Smith’s office door and insisted he wanted to play centre-midfield, and weeks later made it his position.

    A Republic of Ireland international with 40 caps, he was the player who did the ugly stuff that rather went under the radar.

    He spent the majority of his career with Everton, where he first started studying for his coaching badges along with team-mate Alan Stubbs.

    His first job was at Coventry City, another former club, coaching the under-18s. Since then, he has built a solid career in development coaching at Brentford and Manchester City.

    He had a spell in 2017 at Birmingham as the under-23s coach including a period as caretaker of the senior team when then manager Harry Redknapp was sacked.


    International managerial experience
    In September 2020, he was confirmed as England’s under-20s head coach and that is the time when his career started to really gather momentum.

    The Republic of Ireland courted him for months after the dismissal of Stephen Kenny last November, and at one point it appeared inevitable that Carsley would take the job.

    Yet he pulled out the running and, perhaps, the prospect of eventually succeeding Southgate was a contributing factor.

    Carsley’s appointment as interim manager, as expected, will buy England time, and possibly even himself.

    After all, Southgate reluctantly took over the senior team from Sam Allardyce and secured two wins and two draws from his first four matches.

    He was eventually named permanent manager and, nearly eight years later, stepped down after reaching a World Cup semi-final in 2018, a Euros final in 2020, the World Cup quarter-final and a second successive Euros final. History may now be about to repeat itself with Carsley.

     
  10. lobomojo

    lobomojo Member+

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    Jul 17, 2004
    Freedom
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Though Pochettino finished strong for us, his main weakness was, like Southgate, being far too late in making substitutions or in changing tactics if the starting game-plan was a bust and he usually lost the battle of 2nd half changes and adjustments.

    Potter, was horrible across the board, for all the talk of his Brighton days he only won 31% of his matches there, and only 37% overall in England. (and De Zerbi immediately improved and won more matches with the same team in his first season)

    It is hard to come up with positive recommendations, not really sure yet.
     
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  11. MrSnrub

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    #912 MrSnrub, Jul 18, 2024
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    I think all the "main" candidates for the job would probably all be at least decent. I assume it will be one of the list of Howe, Potter, Carsley, Pochettino, in which case I think they're all good candidates in one aspect or another, and all have limitations also (but who available doesn't?).

    I'd be pretty relaxed with any of them being appointed and its certainly a lot better than the last few times the job has came up.

    I wouldn't give any time to the Telegraphs daily England manager candidate articles either, which are clearly just for clicks.
     
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  12. hussar

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    Jun 24, 2015
    I find this truly unfair, especially this 31% thing, seriously who cares? He was not the manager of Man City, he took over a weak team that had just avoided relegation. He made them a solid top 10 team without spending a fortune on star players. Also they sat fourth on the table when Potter left to Chelsea. Nobody knows what would have happened if he had stayed, he could easily have done as well as De Zerbi after such a start. I understand that Chelsea fans have a problem with him, but to deny his achievements is ridiculous.
     
  13. Andre99

    Andre99 Member

    Liverpool
    England
    Jul 12, 2021
    I really don't want a manager that has done fairly well with little resources. It reminds me of Graham Taylor.
     
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  14. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

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    Nov 5, 2021
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cl5yzg0gk8no


     
  15. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

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    Nov 5, 2021
    #916 Fireburn47, Jul 18, 2024
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    Talking about the Telegraph Gary O’Neil is today’s candidate. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/oth...ou-will-not-leave-for-england-job/ar-BB1qdkPP
    As an aside I might be wrong but I don’t see Man City going for Postecoglou when Guardiola departs.
     
  16. hussar

    hussar Member+

    Jun 24, 2015
    You completely missed the point there, Potter was very different.
    By the way, most of the great coaches started out by working well with little resources. Not everyone can be Guardiola and go straight to work at Barcelona.
    It would be interesting to see what he could get out of a small team, for example, where he can't just sign the best players in the world at will.
     
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  17. Fireburn47

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  18. hussar

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  19. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Deadline for applications are August 2nd so it will be tight getting someone announce before the PL season begins. After that and they at disadvantage in preparing for the first meet up.


    England manager search: What should the FA be looking for in Southgate’s successor?

    https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5642055/2024/07/19/england-manager-southgate-fa/

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    The Football Association never wanted to be in this position now.

    Its executives wanted to be parading around London with the Henri Delaunay Trophy, tying up Gareth Southgate’s new contract, thinking about the autumn’s Nations League games and planning for the World Cup qualifiers starting in March.


    Instead, the FA has a huge responsibility to discharge: appointing the right person to succeed Southgate as manager of the England men’s national team.

    It is a possibility for which it was preparing, with a succession plan drawn up long before Sunday’s final in Berlin, just as it has succession plans in place for all senior employees. But it is a plan it did not want to have to turn to for a few years yet.

    This week’s events do at least hand the FA a rare opportunity to shape the direction of English football for the next few years. These moments do not come along often — and when they do, the FA is usually in a defensive mode.

    Last time, when Sam Allardyce was forced to resign after only one game in charge in September 2016, England’s next game was under two weeks away and the FA had no option but to turn to Southgate. Only three months before then, it had to find a replacement for Roy Hodgson. They had the luxury of time but were severely bruised after Euro 2016, and were not exactly overwhelmed by outstanding candidates.


    Four years before that, in February 2012, the FA had to respond to Fabio Capello’s shock resignation. It had to start from scratch just four months before Euro 2012 and, eventually, went for West Bromwich Albion’s Hodgson. The appointment of Capello, in December 2007, came after the failure to qualify for Euro 2008.

    The FA’s current position compares very favourably to any of those. They are not shaken by a crisis. Nor are they picking up the pieces after a disastrous campaign. Far from it: the Southgate era was the greatest spell of sustained competitiveness, competence and positivity from the England men’s national team since Sir Alf Ramsey’s tenure. The prestige of the team is at an unusually high point, both domestically and internationally. The FA will be appointing from a position of strength.


    This also means that the FA can take a deep breath, return to first principles, and ask the most important question: what should the England manager’s role look like? What exactly are we looking for here?

    Southgate looms so large over the process that it will be difficult to disentangle his characteristics from the skills, experiences and qualities the FA’s decision-makers are looking for in his replacement. There will be an overlap and the search will be for a candidate who boasts some of the traits Southgate had in abundance. Equally, Southgate is such a unique mixture of intelligence, articulacy and FA experience that he is impossible to replace, even in the aggregate.


    The FA published the “job profile” for the England manager’s job on Friday morning, making public in more detail than before their expectations for the role. The ambition for the England team in the post-Southgate era is very clear: the first bullet point describing the role plainly states that it is to “lead and develop the England senior men’s team to win a major tournament”.

    Where the “successful candidate” is described, it reads like a description of Southgate himself. The last point says that the candidate must “understand and embrace the role that the England Men’s Senior Team Head Coach has inspiring the nation”, which Southgate certainly did but which few of his predecessors ever grappled with.

    Similarly there is a requirement of having “a track record of creating a high performing, positive team culture and environment”, another area where Southgate shone, and where the FA will want his progress to be built upon rather than discarded.

    As expected there is no requirement in the profile that the candidate should be English, but there are requirements that the candidate should have both “significant experience of English football” and experience in “successfully identifying, managing and developing English qualified players”. Which means that foreign candidates are in the mix, but only if they are proven in the Premier League. There will not be a Capello-type appointment, imported into English football with no experience of it.

    The deadline for applications is 2 August, two weeks from today.

    So where do we start?

    The first responsibility of any manager is the team’s success. After two lost European Championship finals under Southgate, the hope is that his replacement can take the ultimate step, build on his progress and finally deliver a trophy. Many England fans would want a bolder manager who plays more attacking football and makes braver changes.

    The variance and luck that play such a big part in tournament football are what makes it the most exciting form of the game — but they also mean that meticulous planning to win a tournament is almost meaningless. Something will always come up.

    The challenge, then, is appointing a manager who is likely to maximise England’s chances of winning a tournament.

    Many people will point to the tactical sophistication of the club game and argue that an established Premier League manager would be superior to Southgate and better placed to deliver success. But is that true? Club and international football are diverging and increasingly resemble different formats or codes. It does not follow that one is easier than the other, or that skills can be automatically transferred.
    We could all name a list of managers who have done more in club management than Southgate — many of them have been linked with the job — but if FA executives ask themselves what it takes to succeed in the club game, they will not conclude that having won club trophies is a prerequisite. Just look at the most successful managers operating in the international game.


    Lionel Scaloni has now won two Copa Americas as well as the World Cup for Argentina and yet his only previous senior management job was with Argentina Under-20s. Similarly, Luis de la Fuente, who coached Spain to their triumph at Euro 2024, had been working for the Spanish federation for the last nine years before he took over the men’s senior team. Their deep understanding of international football, rather than insights from club management, made the difference.

    Southgate is proof of this, coming into the job with a less impressive club CV than many of his predecessors but then progressing further than any of them.


    Big club managers can be successful in international football. Roberto Mancini took the Italy job after winning trophies as a manager at five clubs across three countries, then won Euro 2020 — but that win felt like a one-off, with Italy not even qualifying for the 2022 World Cup. Other big-name tenures have not worked as well. Luis Enrique won the Champions Leaguewith Barcelona but had to leave Spain after a disappointing World Cup in Qatar. Hansi Flick also won the Champions League (with Bayern Munich), also failed in 2022 (with Germany), and is now back in club management.

    This will be one of the first big strategic questions the FA has to ask itself: whether its decision-makers think the skills they want have been tested by the club game or the international game. Do you want a prestigious manager who has worked at the highest level? Or do you want someone who understands the particular format England compete in? Those two categories are unlikely to overlap.

    Even if the FA decides that the club game is important, we all know that every different job has its own measure of achievement. Keeping up a struggling team can be as difficult as winning a trophy with a rich one.

    If your goal is to win the World Cup in 2026, do you need a manager who has won major club tournaments? Whether they were attainable or not, Thomas Tuchel and Jurgen Klopp, as examples, have won the Champions League and domestic titles. Or would the experiences of Eddie Howe and Graham Potter, with top Premier League finishes of fourth and ninth, be equally relevant?


    We could speculate all day about variables and how elements of coaching and tactics can transfer between the two formats of the game. The point, which the FA will know, is that no manager in the world could start coaching England in early September and soon have them playing like a club team.

    This is only one side of the role, too. We all know what an important job Southgate did in transforming the culture of the England side, articulating what the national team meant to people and creating an environment players wanted to be part of. This work underpinned all the success on the pitch and the FA will naturally be keen that whoever starts coaching the team from September onwards should continue with this side of Southgate’s work.


    So how do you maintain those elements of the Southgate era without the man himself? Especially given that so much of the positive atmosphere stemmed from his personality.

    And if the new manager should have Southgate’s soft skills, not just as a coach but a figurehead for English football — a persuasive politician, a spokesman for the soul of the national game — then all of a sudden you are looking at a very different set of criteria from who is best at coaching defensive transitions.

    A final issue is one of identity.

    Southgate leant into his Englishness and his experience as an England player, good and bad. His resignation statement started with a reference to his patriotism but the view at the FA is that being English alone is not a criterion for getting the job. It is open to speaking to non-English candidates.

    The FA will also be guided by the Football Leadership Diversity Code, committing them to speak to a diverse range of candidates. The FA pushes for this code across English football and must abide by it now more than ever when its recruitment process is in the public eye.

    The more you consider the decisions that have to be made in the next few weeks, the more you realise how difficult it will be to replace Southgate. Almost every question about what you want from an England men’s senior manager comes back to him.

    The fact is that he is gone and the process will not get anywhere without the decision-makers making some difficult trade-offs, prioritising one thing or things over others. They have the power to decide what England football’s next figurehead will look like. It all hinges on what they see.

















     
  20. sinner78

    sinner78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 7, 2001
    He is Greek born and his entire bloodline is Greek.
    He is just a paper citizen of Australia .
     
  21. Fireburn47

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    Nov 5, 2021

    And he is gone. An interim already appointed for their Nations League matches
     
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  22. Fireburn47

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    #923 Fireburn47, Jul 19, 2024
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  23. Regis Prograis

    Regis Prograis Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Feb 8, 2020
    Until a formal offer/discussion, comes in/take place, anyone in work in a managerial position would be stupid to say anything other than the basic line of ''I'm happy where I am, and hope to continue" literally no point try reading anything into public pleasantries.
     
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  24. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    It's a different story as soon as he's offered it. If he Is then I'm sure he would take it
     

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