Rumor: Next England Manager Thread Discussion

Discussion in 'England' started by BarryfromEastenders, Oct 5, 2022.

  1. finney81

    finney81 Red Card

    Man Utd
    Republic of Ireland
    Feb 9, 2024
    So they are only 2 great players between 26 and 30 in world football that is ridiculous.
     
  2. finney81

    finney81 Red Card

    Man Utd
    Republic of Ireland
    Feb 9, 2024
    At the moment they look weak but looks can be deceiving . Although they got knocked out against croatia in the quarter finals of the world cup they had 11 shots on target to croatias one .

    They seem to lack strikers at the moment . But they are still one of the top 5 teams on the planet .
    It doesn't take that much to go from a very good team to a great team

    http://tinyurl.com/hhkjs8fk
     
  3. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    #378 horrisengleton, Feb 19, 2024
    Last edited: Feb 19, 2024
    In my opinion, yes. If we're talking about truly great players i.e. the top few in the world that will be talked about for years to come. Rodri would be there too tbf, & you can arguably throw Stones & Ederson in there too but I think the latter two are pushing it. Three at a push for me.

    Compare it to players aged 31-35: Neymar, Kroos, Salah, De Bruyne, Alisson, Lewandowski, Van Dijk, Mane, Gundogan, Muller, Kante... I could go on. It's night and day.
     
  4. hussar

    hussar Member+

    Jun 24, 2015
    You're right, except that they were fancied in 2002 too just like always, especially with Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Roberto Carlos and Ronaldinho in their squad. Got a hand from Fifa as well as they did not have to meet any top sides throughout the whole tournament.
     
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  5. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    I think a lot of this discussion stems from a lack of acceptance about the nature of international football. You hear some England fans saying it will be a crime if Southgate doesn't win a tournament with this squad. Whilst it is our best strength in depth, probably ever, it isn't a margin better than a number of other international sides. There are about 8 sides in any international tournament of a similar high level. Various modelling companies predicted the likely winner at the last World Cup, the team with the single highest prediction to win was Brazil but with a 20% chance of success i.e. actually highly unlikely to win it. Many didn't give any side over a 15% chance which reflects how closely matched a number of sides are coupled with the nature of short-format knockout football.

    In the modern era of both the Euros and World Cup there is now generally a different winner at each tournament. In the past 11 editions of the Euros, which spans 40 years, there has been 10 different winners! Only Spain have bucked that trend and won 2 in a row.

    The truth is that Southgate's run of semi-final, final and quarter final has been excellent by any reasonable measure. The final loss againt Italy came down to the smallest of margins in the end and if Rashford had placed his penalty kick a few inches further inside then England would've taken control of the shootout. The chances of Southgate now being hailed as England greatest ever manager would've increased significantly.
     
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  6. finney81

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    Man Utd
    Republic of Ireland
    Feb 9, 2024
    #381 finney81, Feb 20, 2024
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2024
    In the semi final run in for his first tournament he got a really lucky draw. Who did he have to beat to get there paraguay, sweden , coulmbia really average teams.

    He was beaten by Belgium in the group stages and was knocked out by Croatia . So that tells you if he came up against any top like italy, spain, germany , brazil, argentina, holland etc .
    England won have gone home.

    In euro 2020 . In the group stages England were awful against a championship side in Scotland and lucky not to be beaten .

    Against a declining Croatia they looked crap as well. Against ukraine was the only match they looked good but ukraine were awful .

    Very poor against Denmark who although they were a good team . England made very hard work of them.

    In the final against italy they go a goal up .England started the game with a really high tempo and italy weren't able to live with it . It was obvious to anyone except Southgate that if they continued to play at that speed that the italians would have been beaten them.

    In the world cup 2022. England beat iran and wales who were rubbish and then looked awful against an average usa team .

    In the next round they beat a decent side in senegal .

    Then beaten by a very good French team who were missing their best players in pogba and bezenema. Most believe that if Southgate played a more attacked team that they could have beaten France .

    Believe me when i say this France are way overrated . When we played them in Dublin. We pressed the hell out of them , didnt give them an inch and made them look very ordinary .

    Grriezman didnt get a kick of the ball as I have noticed if you really get tight on him he disappears from the match . He is a very overrated player .

    They beat us France but they were lucky . In the last 15 minutes of the match we had them pinned in their own half and they were damn lucky to not concede a goal . A miraculous save from their goal keeper and the cross bar saved them.

    If bog standard championship side like us caused them huge problems .

    Imagine what a team like yours would do to them . If you actually put your best attacking players on the pitch and went at them .

    Their defenders are very overrated too. They defend really well if you don't put them under pressure but if you put their defence under real pressure like we did they panic and make lots of mistakes .
     
  7. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Bla bla bla
     
  8. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    Thomas Tuchel will be the next name social media will want to replace Southgate.
     
  9. hussar

    hussar Member+

    Jun 24, 2015
    And in which reality is this relevant?
     
  10. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    The guy is toxic around the dressing room similar to Mourinho! We would be mad to let him anywhere near the National team unless you want players to not want to turn up.
     
  11. hussar

    hussar Member+

    Jun 24, 2015
    Mate, that may be your opinion, but SOCIAL MEDIA will decide who will succeed Southgate, not you and not the FA.
     
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  12. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021


    ‘Tuchel would have been interested in succeeding Southgate after the Qatar World Cup, when the German was out of work and it is thought the FA would consider an anglicised foreigner if and when they come to replace the 53-year-old.k
     
  13. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
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    You cannot have a German managing the England team.
     
  14. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    Outside of the fact I don't want Tuchel it wouldn't really bother me if a German managed us. I don't really view them as a rival because I think for a rivalry to be a true one it has to go both ways and while everyone hates England to a degree the animosity from them towards us is tiny compared to, say, the Argentines or the Scots.

    I do think there's something there on both sides but it's a very soft rivalry at best when considering each party.
     
  15. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021

     
  16. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Exactly. The nature of international football coming down to single leg knockout matches means luck and small margins play a huge role in success. Some of the greatest teams of all time (Hungary 54, Netherlands 74, Brazil 82) did not win the World Cup, but to most watching were the best team.
    Nobody ever thought that the FA Cup winners were the best team in the country purely on the basis of winning it.
     
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  17. Jimmy Skitz

    Jimmy Skitz Member+

    Leicester City
    England
    Nov 4, 2020
    if you'd turn down a manager like Klopp from England you don't want to win anything
     
  18. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    I don’t see the FA going for anyone non British unless all of Howe, Cooper, Potter and probably others turn them down. And to be honest I just don’t see Klopp wanting the job.
     
  19. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    #394 MrSnrub, Feb 23, 2024
    Last edited: Feb 23, 2024
    I wouldn't be overly surprised if Guardiola winds up with Saudi Arabia when he eventually ends it with City. They would offer him anything to do it, and they're definitely going to want to continue having prestige managers to get them into shape for their home world cup.

    At any rate I don't really see him as a realistic prospect for the England job. His contract is till 2025, if he is actually really set on managing an international team i'd expect him to probably wait it out till after the 2026 world cup when jobs become available.
     
  20. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    This is what we call a non sequitur.
     
  21. Jimmy Skitz

    Jimmy Skitz Member+

    Leicester City
    England
    Nov 4, 2020
    It was in response to the comment we couldn't have a German manage England
     
  22. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    I know.
     
  23. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    England
    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Have you actually seen a quote from the FA saying they won’t employ a non English manager? Or is this something you have picked up on from social media?
     
  24. Fireburn47

    Fireburn47 Member+

    West Ham United
    England
    Nov 5, 2021
    They say they will consider everyone but the oress always say it is English first, other British second, foreigner third idea.
     
  25. horrisengleton

    horrisengleton Member+

    Arsenal
    England
    Jul 18, 2023
    Valencia, Spain
    They've not said anything themselves have they? I think that's just what the broadsheets are reporting and we know when it comes to England they aren't really in the know about things behind the scenes these days.
     
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