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Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by nbarbour, Dec 3, 2022.

  1. manfromgallifrey91

    Swansea City
    United States
    Jul 24, 2015
    Wyoming, USA
    Club:
    Southampton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fair enough. Always fine margins on tactical discussions and thats to be expected, loads of different ways to play the game. Though I think the half second of being off is more related to not having enough time to implement the plays consistently, we can reasonably disagree there. Just look forward to see what the USSF do with the coaching.
     
  2. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is not an argument as to whether Berhalter should or shouldn’t come back, I just don’t think the rationale should be based on the fact that it’s a second cycle.

     
  3. dlokteff

    dlokteff Member+

    Jan 22, 2002
    San Francisco, CA
    Chicago is the 4th most segregated city in the US. Detroit is #1. DC is 22nd.

    https://belonging.berkeley.edu/most-least-segregated-cities
     
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  4. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Tactical choices. But I do think that Jurgen would have liked to play more proactive if he had a team more capable.
     
  5. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    It may not be automatic fail, but I do think the issues behind it are still considerations.
     
  6. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sorry dude but you're no Pep
     
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  7. Fighting Illini

    Fighting Illini Member+

    Feb 6, 2014
    Chicago
    Something that a lot of people don't understand is that there are a lot of quite safe, moderately well-off neighborhoods with decent quality housing stock and the general feel of a pleasant urban place in Chicago where there are just absolutely next to zero white people.

    The really awful violent parts of the city are remarkably limited and have been remarkably durable over time.

    And like there is a great degree of solidarity, particularly in the Black community about presenting a united face and a common push for power and recognition within the city, and far be it from me to disagree with them, but the idea of places like Bronzeville or Little Village or South Shore as just teeming ghettoized slums could not be further from the truth. There's a lot of just normal places where normal people live on the South and West sides of Chicago. And then there's Austin and Englewood where, increasingly, anyone who can leave does.
     
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  8. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think Klinnsman would have liked to play more proactive if he could, but I also don't think he was the coach execution wise. Other than his tenure with Germany, he has not been a very good coach anywhere else he's been. And Low seemed to be running the show at Germany. Klinnsman can have good ideas, but he's a details guy or the one whose going to actually be able to execute the plan.
     
  9. Fighting Illini

    Fighting Illini Member+

    Feb 6, 2014
    Chicago
    I kinda have a soft spot for Jose, but absolutely no way for USMNT, it would never work.

    Apple should pay him anything he wants to be the Charles Barkley of their MLS coverage, however.
     
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  10. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Something else to keep in mind, this was the pedigree of the 8 quarterfinalist coaches and what they were doing when they were hired.

    Morocco-hired best coach from domestic league
    Brazil-hired best coach from domestic league
    France-Fired by Marseille for finishing in 10th place.
    England-coached a team that got relegated from the EPL and the England U21s
    Croatia-Hired from a team in the UAE in lead up to 2018 World Cup
    Portugal-Hired from Greek national team and prior to that was coaching in Greece
    Argentina-assistant coach for Sevilla and Argentina
    Netherlands-Van Gaal had been out of the club game for 5 years and was essentially retired after being fired from Man U

    How many people would be happy with a coach with the pedigree of the above? How many of these 8 coaches would be considered amongst the top 50 coaches in the world?
     
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  11. laxcoach

    laxcoach Member+

    United States
    Jul 29, 2017
    intermountain west
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm too lazy to verify which teams still in have repeat coaches but we aren't Argentina, France, Portugal, Brazil, Croatia, etc. We don't have those talent pools that are both mature and integrating youth.

    How have 2 timers worked for the US? Mexico? I just feel like comparing the USMNT to those teams still in the WC is premature at best.
     
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  12. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't think it has anything to do with proactive. Any manager will be likely to press much less if they are playing a sequence of teams ranked (38, 3, 2, 12) vs (19, 5, 20, 8). Everyone saw what happened in match 4 when tried to play Belgium eye-to-eye by playing an attacking 4-3-3.

    Thanks, I will certainly compare the 2022 cycle vs the 2014 cycle, minus the WCs since we switched to a more defensive 4-1-2-1-2 during WC2014. I doubt that 2022 pressed more than 2014 given that 2022 did not even institute a press for the first year but don't know until we look in detail.

    Interesting that proactive is now about pressing. What happened to "using the ball to unbalance the opponent and create scoring chances"? ;)
     
  13. Kirium

    Kirium Member

    Jun 18, 2007
    Coppell, TX

    LOL at this article. It's like his points disprove his counter-points which disprove his initial. Talking in circles.
     
  14. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    1. Zidane (because he's Zidane)
    2. Enrique
    3. Pochettino
    4. Tuchel (would play Pulisic as a fullback)
     
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  15. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  16. Fighting Illini

    Fighting Illini Member+

    Feb 6, 2014
    Chicago
    It's an open secret that it's Deschamps out, Zidane in for France regardless of result, right?
     
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  17. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well yeah but only because US Soccer hasn't offered Zidane the job
     
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  18. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    We could probably offer a manager like 2-3 million a year tops right?
     
  19. Fighting Illini

    Fighting Illini Member+

    Feb 6, 2014
    Chicago
    #719 Fighting Illini, Dec 8, 2022
    Last edited: Dec 8, 2022
    Ha.

    Seriously though, there are probably multiple World Cup winners who would take our job. It would not shock me if Deschamps, who will not have the kind of club options he will feel he deserves, would do it.

    I would be fascinated to hear what Jogi Low would want to do with our team.

    And why stop there? Honestly, if the price is right Big Phil Scolari would 100% take the job. Hell, Mario Zagallo is still alive, wheel his ass out there.

    (The one we absolutely cannot get is Aime Jacquet who quit immediately after winning at age 57, moved to a technical director role where people wouldn't complain and yell at him until not one millisecond after his 65th birthday in 2006, and has been enjoying life on the Cote d'Azur ever since. The French get it, man)

    (There are a ton of World Cup winning managers still alive btw. 70, 78, and everyone from 86 onward.)
     
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  20. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don’t know if Deschamps is for sure out, but Zidane is in for sure if he is.
     
  21. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Of the sitting quarterfinalist coaches I think Tite would be an interesting hire, though he may want to go to a club in Europe post World Cup.

    I wouldn’t be anti Southgate either, though I imagine most of our fan base would be.

    I can’t imagine our fan base would like Enrique either as like Berhalter he was also very wedded to a system that Spain didn’t quite have the players for. And they did just go out in a World Cup game where they had a ton of possessions, but generated very little in terms of good chances.

    I’d want to vet him and get a sense of how he thinks about the job, but I’d be all in on Pochettino. I don’t think there’s any shot he’d take the job though.

    If you want someone in the vein of Van Gaal, how about Arsene Wenger?

    I think you sign Berhalter to a short term extension (through March). Use the intervening time to canvass interest/other options while Berhalter does the same. And then you make a final decision in March based on what else is out there (if Berhalter even wants to be back).
     
  22. Fighting Illini

    Fighting Illini Member+

    Feb 6, 2014
    Chicago
    Arsene Wenger is exactly the kind of guy I mean when I say big name managers who people wouldn't expect would take the home World Cup cycle's USMNT job.

    They'd want money we might not be willing or able to pay, they'd want independence and control we might not be willing and able to give, and we'd have to be very careful about them not really wanting the job for the right reasons, but they would do it because it's such a unique and glamorous (and easy!) opportunity.

    The one thing it is NOT is a route to a Big Six EPL job. So coaches who are pushing their careers toward that kind of "project" with all that comes with it won't be interested. But that's a vanishingly small and increasingly weird and specific list.
     
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  23. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’d be concerned that he’s been out of the game a few years, but that was also the case with Van Gaal and he’s done well.

    Mostly I’ve been turned off by how he’s been integrated in FIFA and has been carrying water for them.
     
  24. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good discussion on Futbol Americas with Jeff Carlisle where he adds more color to his story.

    Said US Soccer wants to wrap this up in the next few weeks in terms of a decision. Said no decision has been made, but that USSF looks very favorable on the job he’s done. Mentioned 5 people primarily being involved in the decision-Stewart, McBride, Cone, JT Batson (the CEO), and Juan Uro (an independent director from the board). And then the board itself has to approve the decision.

    Also said Berhalter has his eyes in landing in Europe and specifically in Germany. Very much a goal of his to get back to Europe.
     
  25. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Were you aware of the managers you have on that List? Deschamps, Tite, Fernando Santos, Van Gaal, Southgate, ...

    Deschamps is a former French NTer with >100 caps and previously managed Monaco and Juventus and yes he was fired from Marseille.

    What is your point?
     

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