Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by nbarbour, Dec 3, 2022.
He's probably talking about The Bean. A quick search brings this up.
If that's what makes a city a "shithole", then the term could be applied to any major metropolitan area in this country.
Data on per capita violent crime is widely available. Chicago is not in the top 15 cities on that measure. I'm done with this topic.
So like, yeah, that happened. It's a fact that the downtown area, which of course is very different now with remote work hollowing out the Loop and the decline of retail hurting the Mag Mile and all that, is experiencing rising levels of violence. The vast majority of stuff happens in the middle of the night, but it's still worrying, certainly.
But like, Chicago is still an absolutely lovely place to live (or visit) with a level of walkability and amenities and public transportation that really only New York can match.
The real issue of course is that it's also a shockingly segregated place and while the places where I live and work and hang out are vibrant and beautiful, there are other places I never go which very much aren't.
But at the end of the day, this is the truth.
America is a gun-drenched place, ipso facto America is a horrifically violent place.
I have no ill will toward those who bunker themselves away from society in the suburbs, people are free to their preferences. But like, aesthetically, it sucks and is super lame out there, no thank you from me.
I've lived in the Chicago are for almost 30 years - first half in the city.
I am skeptical about your friends living in constant fear of gun violence in the burbs. That is a bit over the top. Every large city has had problems especially after Covid and riots. It's no different or worse than NY and most certainly SF or LA. It's good to be situationally aware though wherever you are.
I imagine they were here went down to Millenium Park and saw the Bean? I'm glad they weren't there when anything happened, but I don't think they would have been there around midnight anyway? There have been after hours incidents with groups of kids breaking curfew that have occurred down there - the city has beefed up security, is enforcing curfew, and there haven't been any problems for a quite awhile - Lollapalooza went off without a hitch in August, and I felt it was safe enough that I allowed my HS aged kid to attend (with instructions as to where to go and not).
We are spending this weekend in Chicago with friends and family for the holidays. We will be staying a block or two from Millenium Park. Some of us will be going to Second City, some to see the Lion King, we are going to our world class Art Institute, shopping, and hitting some favorite restaurants - including two run by James Beard winning chefs.
I don't get why USSF requires the coach to live in Chicago, but it is certainly not a dump.
Do you believe there are tactical differences or just opponent/game state differences that accounts for those 2 data points?
I would not be a fan. And his last few jobs have not gone particularly well. I'd rather have Tuchel than Benitiez.
But it does mean he has a TON more experience than anyone(?) on this forum.
It's obviously a totally ridiculous thing to think, but in my experience it very much is the headspace of a lot of suburban people, genuine fear of the central city and a perception that it's just the Wild West at all hours.
And I don't think that's really new, different people just have different attitudes about living in density. I grew up in the exurbs of Chicago and from the time I was very young just felt a more comfortable vibe being in the city and always expected I'd end up here.
If anyone is interested Gregg lives in Wrigleyville in a multi-million dollar house on a pleasant tree-lined street that is a bit modern for my tastes tbh.
It's a gigantic pain to get to either Soccer House or O'Hare from there, fwiw.
The Pochettino level guys are probably more interested in a two year commitment rather than a 4 year commitment. Like from the Copa America to the World Cup basically.
I will say this: I am not skeptical that they live in fear. Of course that fear may not be rational.
One more thing...
We humans seem to be hardwired to fear the unknown. The less we know about something (other ethnicities, cultures, cityfolk, country folk etc) the more we fear and the less we trust.
True - I guess I should have asked him to clarify - do they live in the burbs, in fear of gun violence in the city? Or do the fear gun violence occuring in their burb? The second is definitely not rational.
There was an interesting article I read recently about the areas where people live in the most fear of violence/crime, tend to be in areas that are fairly safe themselves.
Chicago definitely has its share areas where there is a higher risk of violence (like many big cities), but that's not where any of our potential future coaches are going to be living and spending time. As @Fighting Illini noted Berhalter himself lives in Wrigleyville, which is a perfectly nice place where you are not at all living in fear of violence.
I think it is very odd how if you actually dig into crime stats murder and most other violent crimes have been trending down since the 90s yet fear of crime has been trending up. Not sure if it is the result of fear based on the increase in the one specific type of violence that has increased (mass shootings) or if people are just getting increasingly paranoid but it is a very strange phenomenon.
When has that ever stopped folks from complaining?
My hope is that this time we do a proper search for the next coach unlike in 2017. If USMNT/MLS/USSF roots are the important criteria I hope that USSF also talks to and interviews Marsch and Dolo. I think that they may be more effective with the attributes of our current and emerging player pools.
Honestly that's the big thing for a guy like Martinez as well. If you look at any coaching job Roberto Martinez has had thr best years are the first and 2nd then there's a huge drop off. One of the big reasons I'm against him.
I'm still at this point with potential coaches cause I want to keep it semi realistic...
MLS- Steve Churundolo, Josh Wolff, Jim Curtain
Free Agent-Ricardo Gareca, Pellegrino Matterazo
Euro Club manager- Rony Delia
International Managers- Herv Renard
Again want to be somewhat realistic. I may not want Martinez but I don't think either he or Luis Enrique want to stay as international managers. If Hansi Flick comes available I'd call him but he's reportedly going to coach Germany through the Euros. I don't think people like Poch or Zidane will consider us.
I'd love to out Jesse or even Viera has potential candidates but I don't think either will be available or ready to lead their clubs.
I also keep thinking if we go international Earnie would look towards Holland but the only name I can think of with connections to Ernie is Gertjan Verbeek and I don't think he's super realistic either
My posts are in reaction to someone posting that Sunil is an amateur non soccer person.
I mean Sunil is a suit through and through. In background, in outlook, in personal affect, in every way. So he is in no way an amateur in the way someone like Eric Wynalda is (or that all of us are on these topics), and he is also in no way a "soccer person" in the way Cindy Parlow Cone is.
He is a lifetime soccer administrator, and pick the five things you like the most and five things you like the least about US soccer and he's a massive behind-the-scenes figure in the development of all ten. That's Sunil.
Recently, friends of friends of ours were legitimately considering cancelling a trip to Los Angeles because they were scared from "all the shootings". Los Angeles ranks 63rd out of the top 100 US cities in homicide rate. And I'm sure these folks were going to Beverley Hills and Pacific Palisades, not Compton.
It is certainly a shame that perception of the city exists. Unfortunately most suburbanites and tourists never have the opportunity or give themselves the opportunity of seeing the city outside of Mag Mile/Millenium Park/Grant Park/The Loop.
The thing I loved about living all over the North side is how different the neighborhoods are - the different feel, the different types of people living there, different architeture even, and it could change from block to block and you could notice the change.
You did hit the nail on the head though sadly, about how segregated the city is. I have always found that incredibly ironic with how liberal Chicago touts itself to be.
The reason for increased fear is the change in perception vs reality. (Perception has always mattered more than reality and still does). Those that live in high crime areas likely feel as they always have (for the most part). The increase in fear as @gomichigan24 said is largely found in low crime areas. I have anecdotally noticed the same thing in my conversations with acquaintances and friends when speaking about my (former) experiences teaching in a high crime inner-city school. On the one hand, those that experience it directly probably tend to become desensitized to it and underestimate the danger in their areas and those that live outside overestimate the quantity and area of the violence.
I think when you see much of the political rhetoric focusing on crime, it is mostly directed at those living in low density areas that have not ever had a crime problem but now they think it is coming for them.
Cindy played and coached professionally, Sunil only has a background in coaching elite youth squads. Eric Wynalda has also played and coached professionally.
They are all "soccer people" in my book.
It's interesting because I live in DC, but have spent a great deal of time in Chicago (I had family who used to live there and there is a large Michigan contingent who I went to school with who live there still), and I was struck and how much more segregated Chicago felt compared to DC (and it's not like DC is great in this regard either).
Experience at executing difficult organizational goals? Not sure. But even if he does, that's sort of the point of the forum! We get to ignore appeals to authority and hash out our own thoughts!
I'm sure it would be difficult to move on from Gregg. He's a comfortable known quantity, I hope if Earnie (or Cindy or Brian or whoever) ends up keeping him it's only after a dedicated effort to find someone better that just doesn't work out.