Next Coach

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by nbarbour, Dec 3, 2022.

  1. theboogeyman

    theboogeyman Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    More so than the number of holdovers, I think it’s important to consider what type of opportunities a coach will give to unseat established players.

    for example, how well would a guy like Jonathan Gómez have to do to get starts over someone like Antonee Robinson? Berhalter has been pretty good about giving guys opportunities, but we’ve really only seen a lot of spots get kind of secured in the past year or so. Would berhalter be too loyal to the established guys? I don’t know.
     
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  2. TOAzer

    TOAzer Member+

    The Man With No Club
    May 29, 2016
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is this a Trapp question? Yuell know Roldan down the River Morris.
     
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  3. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    oooooOOOOOOOooooo!

    Interesting. But he has become a poster child for “possession without final product” which is already a sore spot for us.
     
  4. theboogeyman

    theboogeyman Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    I’m not sure what your point is here. Berhalter cycled through a lot of guys like Trapp and Yueill when the team wasn’t getting decent results. Dropping guys who are performing decently when the team is doing pretty well is very different.
     
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  5. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    If he stays we cannot have that, and we cannot let him convince himself that whatever depth we have isn’t good enough to use. That idea that some people are untouchable really set back the women’s team in a big way. There is no continuity-based, or system-based reason to protect the core players 3.5 years ahead of a WC.

    We need to be constantly refreshing and building depth. And please please PLEASE let’s use a creative attacking mid. We have a bunch if young ones with high ceilings; to brush them aside because they can’t do exactly what Wes or Musah do is madness.MADNESS I TELL YOU!
     
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  6. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm always a one tern coach guy but I guess it would depend on who they could get instead. Berhalter has a few things going for him that other returning coaches didn't. He either held on to players too long or gave everyone a chance to prove themselves before dumping them depending on your viewpoint but he did move on from a lot of players even those considered favorites and undroppable by many. He used more young players in key spots than any coach we've ever had so there is reason to believe he would keep doing that. Of course it could be argued most coaches would have done similar considering how bare the veteran player cabinet was but I don't think Tata would have done nearly as much youth callups. Berhalter now has a good grasp on what it takes to qualify (of course we don't need to do that this cycle) and what a team needs to do to do more than just advance out of the first round. It could be argued it's entire reasonable to give him another cycle to take advantage of what he learned in this one. I'd still lean toward bringing in the best coach we can find to give a new look to everything. Absolutely need to pick one that will keep adding new up a comers to the current youthful core. My favorite would be Klopp because of his enthusiasm and style fits a young team. Go for Pep in 2030 when we have a more mature team that could perhaps by then implement what he wants.

    I will brazenly predict no matter who we pick at least 50% of posters here will gripe just as much as they have this cycle.
     
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  7. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    If we find a manager who can inject some creativity into our midfield, and chance creation (vs good teams) into this side, I promise not to gripe. WHO’s WITH ME?!
     
  8. MayaDempsey

    MayaDempsey Member

    Jul 29, 2014
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    We need the Marsch grittiness and attacking mindset. Impossible to truly believe in your ability to win at the highest level when you schedule Honduras in Minnesota in February for “competitive advantage” reasons. It’s a mindset.

    I also just enjoy watching Leeds play more than any club team I follow.
     
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  9. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As long as they use it as a defensive tactic also (meaning it keeps the ball away from our end) and not one that rains goals too. I will also say it's important for style to not just press unless we have a roster where reserves are so close to starters that rotation is not a problem at all. Look at how many teams left used pressing - it may get you to the next round only to be exhausted and easily run over.
     
  10. theboogeyman

    theboogeyman Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    I agree. Perhaps I am too optimistic, but I do think that if berhalter stays, he will experiment more with things like a false 9, and a more attacking minded midfielder. Getting out young guys on the same page during qualifying was a pretty big task. I wish hed prioritized trying an attacking midfielder sooner, but understand why he didn’t. The World Cup was really the first time the MMA midfield clicked for an extended stretch of games. We talk about Reyna and Aaronson a lot, but from a depth perspective, it would be great if someone like booth can play that role in the near term.
     
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  11. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Wish I could Rep this more than once. We still act like an emerging soccer nation.
     
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  12. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Like him, but not him. He will kill that great athmosfere that Gregg created. I'd be fine withnone of the assistants as a stop-gap.
     
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  13. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I feel like dropping Steffen from the World Cup roster is a very good illustration of the idea that he's not going to be too loyal to his own guys when it comes time to make that choice.
     
  14. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And the thing is he should experiment a ton in 2023 if he does stay. The results might end up worse as a result, but early in the cycle is definitely when you want to be trying different things.
     
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  15. theboogeyman

    theboogeyman Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    Good point. Pepi is an example of that too.
     
  16. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Yeah, I don't understand the concept.

    When the cycle started, Berhalter did continue calling up some of the holderovers from the previous cycle. But of course, he couldn't call up Musah and many of the current group.............BECAUSE THEY HADN'T EMERGED YET!

    So of course he called up Trapp and Bradley for the #6 position. Kellyn Acosta fell off the map with FCD in 2017/2018. So it was the young Tyler Adams and the holdovers (2017 was Adams first year getting significant time in MLS with NYRB. By the end of the year he was called up by Sarachan. We were aggressive with Adams.)

    In case people have forgotten, Jackson Yueill was just fine at the CONCACAF level. He started the Nations League semifinal victory over Honduras. He started the 4-1 Nations League victory over Canada. He went 90 minutes in a 1-0 victory over Costa Rica. He started wins over El Salvador, T&T, and Haiti this cycle.

    Its like.............everybody knew this. Everybody knew he was fine at the CONCACAF level, but we needed somebody else for the World Cup level.

    Any USMNT coaching staff has to know the whole pool. They have to know the depth of guys that can get the job done in any given competition. Cuz injuries and suspensions will occur. Berhalter trusted Yueill at a certain level, and he almost always delivered. The USMNT actually had a darn good record in games that Yueill started.

    So if we hire a foreign coach who doesn't know these kinds of pool players.......................we just need an assistant that does.
     
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  17. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    This is actually one reason I'd just consider a new coach period.

    I actually think Berhalter will be middle of the pack to potentially more open than most to integration, but I also think as a rule, every four years, the pool should be reset at some level.

    Fresh eyes. No history with players -- forget personal beefs; evaluations can linger on players even when they aren't true anymore and the player has improved.

    It's incredibly hard not to let those former ideas creep into becoming shortcuts. It happens to the most well-meaning of people, and coaches tend to be a more singleminded than most.
     
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  18. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I repeat: Caleb Porter is a terrible idea, even for a minute. No, no, no.

    I'd actually take someone ridiculous like Kreis or Hudson -- who are both not very good coaches -- as a six month stopgap over Porter. Go neutral. Porter would actively be a problem.
     
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  19. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
     
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  20. FC Tallavana

    FC Tallavana Member+

    Jul 1, 2004
    La Quinta
    They need to speak with the players before extending him. Make sure they want this. If they do then so be it.
     
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  21. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ok, hear me out- berhalter again, but only offense this time!

    whos with me!
     
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  22. JUnionFan

    JUnionFan Member+

    Philadelphia Union
    United States
    Sep 30, 2020
    On one hand I don't really "care"/mind that much if he get's a couple months till the summer because USSF wants to wait and really get the right coach. It's better than rushing into a longer term higher you aren't convinced of.

    But if the plan to to legitimately spend the whole next cycle with him, I am not on board.
     
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  23. jgardner02

    jgardner02 Member

    Aug 30, 2011
    For everybody who said we couldn't replace Berhalter before the world cup because of familiarity with players (and this was in like March) I see Morocco's coach who came on in August has them through to the quarters, beating spain. And the team looks like they're all on the same page and good locker room.
     
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  24. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Yes they need goal scorers.
     
  25. theboogeyman

    theboogeyman Member+

    Jun 21, 2010
    Completely agree.
     

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