Next Coach 2.0 (2024-26)

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  1. PhilipVU94

    PhilipVU94 Member

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Jul 6, 2024
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's possible he's both overrated and the best available choice for the US job.

    I'm more concerned with the club to national team transition than with him as a coach per se, but still, hiring him would be a pretty big coup.
     
  2. PhilipVU94

    PhilipVU94 Member

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Jul 6, 2024
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Loftus-Cheek.

    But seriously, according to Chelsea fans it was just getting rid of the deadwood anyway and Serie A is a farmer's league so I'm sure they have no place for a league "XI of the season" performer like CP.
     
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  3. PhilipVU94

    PhilipVU94 Member

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Jul 6, 2024
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And it's not like other good managers have waltzed right into west London and gotten results commensurate with the payroll. Potter was the hottest thing going when they hired him away and lots of US fans want him to receive consideration even now. Tuchel had a good track record.
     
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  4. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    Overrated or not, were he to make the leap to international coaching, he would probably be in the top 5 of international managers in terms of club resume and achievements.

    No idea how that translates to managing a national team like ours but I would be very interested to find out.
     
  5. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    Well, I guess it partly comes down to semantics as I wouldn't call Mourinho "elite" any more. His best days are long past and he hasn't adapted. But in theory he might do well with us in a tournament format I guess. I personally would hate it but at least he's won some things Poch never has.

    Southampton was 10 years ago and he left Spurs in 14th place.

    Chelsea made some poor purchases, but they've also made some good ones - like Palmer is the kind of player that makes everyone better. Sure they lost Reece and Chillwell but their understudies were decent and if you look at who they did have, can you say they outperformed expectations with that roster? Just because they overpaid for a lot of players doesn't mean they were all disasters. That said, it's a fair point that maybe if they stuck with him he'd have further righted the ship as results and performances seemed to be improving. We, of course, don't have the luxury of time.

    It's reasonable to think he might get buy in quickly from the players given his reputation and it's reasonable to think we might do well. I just think he's overrated and would not view it as a slam dunk as you would.
     
  6. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    Funnily enough, I'd personally rather we had Potter, even though I wouldn't say he's more "elite" than Poch.
     
  7. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    This is a pretty misleading way to sum up his time at Spurs, or really any manager's time at a club.

    He coached more than 5 seasons at Tottenham. In that time, he led Spurs to their 3 best league finishes in their history in the Premier League (both before or after), and their best ever performance in European soccer. If you only looked at where a club was sitting when a manager was fired after 5+ years at the club, almost every quality manager in the world will look bad by that metric.
     
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  8. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes he had a bad last season at Tottenham but that happens. The rest of his tenure there was incredible. Sometimes you just stay a bit too long.

    I think at Chelsea they compared incredibly well given the injuries. The backups to the injured guys aren’t as good and they had no replacement for a guy like Nkunku (who they were building the team around). Those injuries also came at centerback in addition to fullback so not surprising that defense was where they fell short. Even someone like Enzo Fernandez is not a bad player but he’s nowhere near worth the record amount they paid for him.

    Mourinho has won more trophies but he’s also spent a far greater amount of time managing elite level clubs by comparison. His tenure at Tottenham was also definitely worse than Pochettino though.
     
  9. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I like Potter too and his time at Chelsea was a complete mess. I put that more on the club than him though.

    What’s impressive to me about Potter is his record in Sweden and playing proactive soccer with Brighton with one of the least resourced but smartest team in the EPL (right after they had just been promoted).
     
  10. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    I'm not summing him up - but if we are going to speak about his great Spurs tenure and put him up there with the likes of Pep and Klopp, let's not ignore other data points. He may do well for us, but as far as shoring up our defense, being a brilliant tactician that can adapt to opponents and adapt within games, not sure he will move the needle for us. Can someone make the case for that?

    If we are going to break the bank for a coach - I'd be excited for Klopp.
     
  11. Ball Chucking Hack

    Jan 21, 2005
    Raleigh, NC
    For some reason, I think I would lean more toward Potter, too, but I can't say I have a firm reason why.
     
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  12. FC Tallavana

    FC Tallavana Member+

    Jul 1, 2004
    La Quinta
    Didn't Potter's former team get better when he left for Chelsea?
     
  13. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Brighton had finished 9th the season before. He left fairly early the next year with the team very set up for success and they finished 6th under his successor that year. And then fell back to 11th in De Zerbi’s second year.
     
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  14. porkrind

    porkrind Member+

    Quakes
    United States
    Sep 27, 2001
    Bostonia
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    I know he's not first choice and he probably won't get it, but Henry wouldn't bother me if he were picked. And yes, I know they just lost today. Bear with me...

    There are certain players who spend their last years as de facto "coaches on the field". Henry impressed me in his nyrb years by being such a strong leader on the field, and an incredibly intelligent player. By that time, I just called him "old many Henry" because he looked a few steps slow and yet somehow remained a very effective player. His efficiency of movement was Messi-esque. That sort of mentality is one of the ingredients to becoming a good coach. The thing missing from his resume was leading an actual intl team, which he's now done.

    I don't think his forays into coaching have been as terrible as some have claimed here. And now that he's led France to a final, I wouldn't mind us taking another look at him.

    Again, not my first choice, and I doubt it will happen, but I think he has the right mentality to be good if we do end up settling for him. Most folks on here dismiss him, but I think he's shown that his soccer IQ is not to be overlooked. And he seems to be a guy who thrives on being underestimated.
     
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  15. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    So if LA/The Crew make it all the way to the final, Varas will be there until the end of the year. Including the November NL games. Can Mikey do it well enough to beat the likes of Costa Rica or Honduras?

    I think we'll get either Dolo or Nancy, whoever looks best in the playoff.
     
  16. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/56...d-manager-interim/?source=user_shared_article

    England officially named their interim coach. Said for September but with the the whole fall in mind.

    Article also names Potter and Howe as the top candidates with Pochettino under consideration. But it really seems they are waiting for Pep


    You could also see them ultimately give the job to Carsley after the interim period.

    Relevant to us in that no offer is forthcoming to Pochettino or anyone else from England anytime soon.
     
  17. AutoPenalti

    AutoPenalti Am I famous yet?

    Sep 26, 2011
    Coconut Creek
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can't lie, and this quite possibly the biggest hot take of the year, I would not mind having Hayes as coach. Would she be the first woman to ever coach a men's national team?
     
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  18. FC Tallavana

    FC Tallavana Member+

    Jul 1, 2004
    La Quinta
    The men and women essentially play two different sports due to the different physical attributes of the players. If she wants to coach men, which I sorta doubt she does, she should spend some time as an assistant or as a manager at a lower level for a while.
     
  19. Red Card

    Red Card Member+

    Mar 3, 1999
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Henry helped develop Bradley Wright-Phillips into an MLS offensive superstar.

     
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  20. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    Juan Agudelo, not so much.
     
  21. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    I like Poch. LFG
     
  22. QuakeAttack

    QuakeAttack Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    California - Bay Area
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Only if he brought in Wondo as an assistant...

    [​IMG]
     
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  23. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    Is it still too tight!?!? That is a funny story.
     
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  24. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think his time in France was pretty bad as a coach. And looking at his time in Montreal, I’d much rather have Nancy if given the choice as he’s clearly better.

    Meanwhile I don’t think he did a particularly good job in the Olympics with the best roster playing at home. Hiring Henry would be very much overvaluing Henry the player and commentator versus looking at his actual track record as a coach.
     
  25. Maximum Optimal

    Maximum Optimal Member+

    Jul 10, 2001

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