Poch made 3 cup finals, including a UCL Final. International football is essentially cup-style comp. I'm not sure what folks are getting at with the comparisons to Pep and Klopp. All 3 are elite coaches.
No doubt. Poch has had his megastars in moments, and a lot of Spurs was fueled by Son & Kane connection... but yeah, as you say, Pep has LITERALLY never done anything outside of the most talented, rich, most massive megaclubs in the entire history of the sport.
Rotation, fatigue, "planning"... these were not the largest contributors to them needing to go full bore in the 3rd group match. So I mean, you're kind of making my point for me with this post a lil bit, you're not including proper context for these results and this "fatigue". And that's exactly what I was talking re: the issues with "context" on BS.
I don’t think Poch has any business being mentioned with those two personally. Ask Chelsea fans and they’ll likely say decent man manager who is tactically rigid and slow to adjust or make changes. Not sure if he’s as much of a dinosaur as the special one but I am not convinced his Spurs success is that relevant now. There’s a reason he’s out of a job. And if we are looking for some discipline- that penalty fiasco wasn’t a good look last season.
With Matarazzo out, if Pochettino refuses the options left will be clear: Vieira, Renard, or Cherundolo.
Yeah and I think Pep is the best coach in the world too. Those Tottenham teams definitely had talent but it wasn’t quite talented purchased by a rich gulf country talent. It was more guys Pochettino brought through and made the decision to start. Harry Kane was one of those players. He did similar things during his short time at Southampton (where he overlapped with Crocker).
If we could get him Pochettino would be by far the best coach the USMNT have ever had. He’s not as good a coach as Pep or Klopp but he’s the next level down from those two and he’s one of the elite coaches in the world. I’ll also add in terms of Pep, not coach took more points off his Barcelona teams than Pochettino at Espanyol.
Don't get me wrong, I'm only speaking in regard to the ultra-specific scenario of taking the reins of this US team under a 2 year deal with the chief goal of doing as well as possible (maybe historically so) in the 2026 cup. For almost any club situation (despite Pep's lack of experience at anything but a massive club) I'm taking Klopp and Pep over Poch. Easily.
A team with a major injury crisis also Unclear if we can get him or not but it’d be a major home run hire.[/img]
And yet…he lasted how long in his last two jobs and why is he out of a job? Some of us also watched Chelsea play last season. I just think he’s overrated. Maybe he’d do well in a tournament format but let’s not pretend he’s some master tactician.
We deserve whatever bad things happen to us. Big name CLUB coaches sounds like definitely the smart move with a half cycle to go.
Some of us also watched Chelsea play the season prior. The reasons he’s out of the Chelsea job is specifically because of disagreements with management not because if performance. He had the club performing at a top 4 level post Christmas and they were at that level on the underlying results before that. This comes despite a massive injury crisis and Chelsea spending a ton of money not very wisely. It’s about not having the same vision as Todd Boehly and friends versus his actual performance as coach. I’m not sure why it’s a knock he’s currently out of a job as that’s the case for most the coaches we are looking at. He’s also head and shoulders above any other name that’s been mentioned. He is one of the elite coaches in the world (but yes not quite the level of Pep and Klopp).
I was surprised Poch was dismissed by Chelsea. Could it have anything to do with selling that guy to AC Milan, what's his name..... Christian Pulisic - Wikipedia Following his debut Serie A season, he was considered the best Italian signing of 2023–24 with his personal record of 15 goals and 10 assists across all competitions.[115][116] Pulisic was listed on the 3-man final shortlist of the Serie A Midfielder of the Season award with Hakan Çalhanoğlu and Teun Koopmeiners.[117] He was listed on the 2023–24 Serie A Team of the Season.[118] Mauricio Pochettino - Wikipedia The management, in turn, had criticised Pochettino's training methods as "antiquated" and declared interest in "a young, progressive coach willing to buy into their way of working
I think Poch's best attribute at Chelsea was developing a personality for the team. He seems like an ok coach but I think he was using US job as a way of pressuring England into a quick hire. It seems that hasn't worked and I'm left wondering how much he really wants the US job. I'd be ok with Hayes getting a tryout since we need an interim manager anyway, Hayes v. Marsch, September window.
I usually agree with your takes but I don’t here. You can’t make sweeping statements about injuries and previous seasons and not also talk about Palmer and the amount of money that went into that squad and the indiscipline they showed. If you read Chelsea fan commentary they seem to view him like a rich mans Jesse - good man manager that is tactically limited, unable to deal with a bunker, no plan B, slow to make subs, plays players out of position, etc. He has things you can point to as success but he also has a number of things you can point to as pretty meh. What makes him elite other than a few things cherry picked from his resume? What do you think makes him elite? Is Mourinho elite?
Want to add some two cents that seems to have been missed in here. All the talk about a coach not having international tournament experience supposedly meaning they don't understand how important depth and rotation are. Not sure I buy that for coaches who are coaching at a high level club. Between domestic league play, domestic cups, and ULC/Europa they have to deal a ton with rotation. Not any different than a tournament. Same exact issue. Many times a team may have 3 EPL matches sandwiched around two ULC group matches. Exactly the same thing.
We've already seen in articles that the plan is Varas as an interime. I'm surprised by that, but there you go. It wasn't so long ago in the grand scheme of things that he was coaching FC Dallas U15s. As far as Pochettino goes................I think he did a great job coming into Chelsea, dealing with a challenging leadership, and steering that ship into the right direction. By the end of last season, they were doing quite well. He'd be a fine hire. Will it happen? Who the hell knows.......................
Mourinho is definitely an elite manager given his track record yes. Though previously I would have considered him higher in the pecking order in terms of elite managers than I do at current (as there was a time people thought Pep and Mourinho were the two best coaches in the world, not Pep and Klopp). Mourinho is also an excellent tournament manager in particular. The biggest issue Mourinho has is that he has a short shelf life and tends to burn out of clubs quickly. With Chelsea of all that money they spent would you consider to have been spent wisely? Putting aside the injuries that club is a mess and for all the money they spent it’s been fairly dumb and wasteful. Since Boehly took over they’ve spent almost 100 million on goalies for instance and none of those are for a lockdown starter that you’d expect at a club of the caliber of Chelsea. I think in terms of Pochettino there are impressive things to be said about both his tenure at Espanyol and Southampton given the resources available to both those clubs. I also think he’s the best modern day manager Tottenham has ever had and it’s not even close. And that’s a big 6 club but one with less resources compared to other. With most his success there driven by playing young players versus purchasing expensive players from the outside. The PSG tenure is definitely the weakest stint in his resume and there were extenuating circumstances and there’s a reason someone like Ancelotti had a similar tenure not there not that much before him. And I guess I just disagree with you on the Chelsea side of things. There’s a reason they’ve had six coaches in the two years since Boehly took over. I’ll add this on Chelsea, it was an incredibly young team. See Arsenal when Arteta first took over and how they looked at that point. But no one judges Arteta off year one with Arsenal (which was worse than the year Pochettino did with Chelsea).
I would love Mourinho. A lot of people talk about needing a coach who can win things without specifically needing the best talent in the world and Porto under Jose is the only team outside the big 4 leagues that has won the Champions League since the early 90s. Not saying they didn't have excellent players because teams without excellent players simply don't win things, but they were certainly more of a budget proposition than we have seen win it in a long time. So, what if he wears out his welcome? We only need him to whip this team into shape and lead them for 2 years and the guys get plenty of time away with their clubs. Probably this two year stretch with a tournament at the end that it will all be judged by is the ideal situation for him. I don't think it will happen for a ton of reasons, including not playing how the fed wants to play and the fed not wanting someone who will talk shit in public whenever he feels like it, but I find it bizarre when people act like he'd be a terrible choice. For me, he's about as ideal of a choice as we could hope for. He would instantly command respect, players would absolutely not consider trying to walk all over him and we'd be solid and effective and play with intensity. To me that sounds like just what the doctor ordered for this team in the short term, and we could worry about post 2026 after the World Cup.