Next Coach 2.0 (2024-26)

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Eleven Bravo, Jul 12, 2024.

  1. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    Or a massive own goal. #totally_overrated
     
  2. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Pessimist.
     
  3. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    Pochettino better than Pep and Klopp? Based on what?
     
  4. Ball Chucking Hack

    Jan 21, 2005
    Raleigh, NC
    Probably felt more confident that Matarazzo had genuine interest? Pochettino would seem like a long shot.
     
  5. Yowza

    Yowza Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Oct 23, 2019
    Arlington
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It’s the non-competitive nature of the loss combined with foreseeable fatigue due to lack of rotation that sticks at the craw of a certain section of these boards. There’s some context for you, but you seem to have everyone pegged so never mind.
     
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  6. ChambersWI

    ChambersWI Member+

    Nov 10, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Probably being Amerixan but alsonword that Poch was waiting to see what happened with England job
     
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  7. Reccossu

    Reccossu Member+

    Jan 31, 2005
    Birmingham
    Not really interested in England's leftovers. Would like someone that sees an opportunity for themselves to do a great job with the US situation because the opportunity fits their energy, style, vision. Someone who just wants the most high profile job available may not bring the fire.

    In other words, I have the fantasy that the US can hire a good manager that sees this as an opportunity and a challenge to succeed with a group of players and not as a job.

    Still feels like Crocker was caught flat-footed by all of this. And that's disappointing. Not sure what his job is other than not to get caught with his pants down by this kind of situation.

    But maybe Matt admitting he needed to pull his pants up first (which means he had to take time) instead of making a snap hire, even if it then becomes obvious you weren't really ready, is better for the program. So, thanks?
     
  8. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I suspect that much of what we're hearing in the twitterverse is hearsay.............................

    Crocker has seemed to keep a lot close to the vest. Nothing coming from him or the USSF at all.
    So to me its all gossip. Who really knows how far we'd gotten with Matarazzo?

    So we're making all sorts of comments about what Crocker's plan is and what he's doing based on...........................gossip.
     
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  9. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Which it looks like England isn’t getting resolved anytime soon but we might make an offer right now.
     
  10. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Though the reports on Pochettino are coming from two of the most plugged in reporters with USSF and it’s not just Twitter chatter they are writing it up in their respective publications.
     
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  11. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    This man has seen the light.
     
  12. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don’t know if he’s better but he’s had success with teams with less talent like Southampton and his Tottenham run was far better than anyone who came before or after. And he’s been very good at bringing through young players throughout his career.

    Even the mess Chelsea is and the fact they had a ton of injuries, they were far better this past season compared to previously.
     
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  13. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
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    Dec 15, 1999
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    Leicester City FC
    Not sure what in his record suggests we should be particularly optimistic.
     
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  14. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
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    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    Far better? I mean they did spend like $500M to upgrade his squad no? Wonder how he does without the emergence of Palmer.

    I think he's pretty mediocre and fairly over-rated.
     
  15. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
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    His trophy collection doesn’t impress me for a guy who’s considered a bigger name brand option. I could see some run of play improvement but not sure I see significant World Cup success more likely.
     
  16. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That club was a mess the year previously and they had a ton of injuries included to a lot of those players they spent money on (like Nkunku). Most those players were there the year before when they finished 12th. And I don’t think it can be emphasized enough what a mess Chelsea are.

    And his Tottenham run was really really good compared to how Tottenham has done historically. The man had them in their first Champions League final and their best league finish in 54 years. At a club with less resources than other big 6 clubs. And he was the guy who brought through players like Kane (who he started over a Spanish international striker) and host of other young guys (who formed the core of the England 2018 World Cup team). And in only full season at Southampton he got them to 8th place and their highest points total in their time in the EPL.
     
  17. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
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    Dec 15, 1999
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    Leicester City FC
    That's one spin - sure. He also didn't do much with PSG did he? Lost the league to Lille I believe and didn't bring Champions League glory with Mbappe, Messi and Neymar. Chelsea said his training methods were antiquated.

    Tuchel won the Champions League and I wouldn't want him either.
     
  18. Yowza

    Yowza Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Oct 23, 2019
    Arlington
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    PSG beat Barcelona in the round of 16, then Bayern before losing to Man City. That’s really good!
     
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  19. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
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    Does Nancy go (they, them)?
     
  20. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    Also, he won the league with PSG in his only full season there. PSG did finish 2nd to Lille the season prior, but Pochettino only took over halfway through that season, after Tuchel was fired with PSG sitting 3rd in the table.
     
  21. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The first year they finished second to Lille he came in mid season when they were already behind Lille. But the problem with PSG was that you had Messi, Neymar, and Mbappe who you had to start none of whom would play any defense. And the team itself was poorly constructed. It’s why Ancelotti and Tuchel also had similar levels of success immediately prior to him being there. And Pep has only one Champions League in his entire time as City. A knockout tournament like that is super variable. Pochettino made a semifinal and in the year after in the round of 16 in one of the sorts of games Madrid finds a way to win in ridiculous fashion.

    As for Chelsea the year there was an incredible success all things considered. He took an injury plagued team that was very poorly put together from 12th to 6th.
     
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  22. laxcoach

    laxcoach Member+

    United States
    Jul 29, 2017
    intermountain west
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    maybe he's a good coach when there's cohesion on the roster and everyone gets along. Hiring a ton of big buck egos takes a special coach to get them to mesh IMO. Poch could be (big leap) a really good coach when he gets a team that's together for the most part and not a good coach to bring a team together that needs to be. That could mean he's tailor made for a national team role.

    His club record isn't earth shattering for sure and wouldn't be my top choice of realistic possibilities either. But I'll go along if it happens.
     
  23. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think his demonstrated willingness to go MORE defensive is super beneficial for this particular US side, and IMO there is another layer (or two) of complexity to Pep's system (obviously), and even Klopp's in the way that he tends to have his teams press... and I think that makes their styles ever so slightly less conducive to this 2-year job with these players than what I suspect or imagine Poch would do. I do think of Klopp and Pep both as better man-managers... but in terms of the system, I think Poch suits this US roster more.

    To me, Klopp and Pep are more reliant on the execution of exceptional talent, and having squads that are better-suited to express their philosophy on the whole. So this, for me, gives the edge to Poch.

    Any of the 3 would be an incredible hire, don't get me wrong...
     
  24. yankthisyank'swank

    Oct 13, 2010
    Name as many as you can—
     
  25. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think also unlike Pep he’s spent time managing teams with less talent in Southampton and Espanyol (and did well at those teams relative to their resources). Even at Tottenham they are the least resourced of the big 6 clubs.
     
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