Next Coach 2.0 (2024-26)

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Eleven Bravo, Jul 12, 2024.

  1. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1551 EruditeHobo, Aug 8, 2024
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    Yeah, seems like it's a good thing to say to prospective US manager "this job requires more". If people are turned off by that, probably a good thing to weed those out who perhaps shouldn't be in the role? Now if they're forcing too much minutiae on interviewees right off the bat... sure, I can see that turning people off. Especially those with current jobs. I don't know what a senior manager's schedule looks like, and I don't know what their approach looks like obviously, I'm just saying.

    But! I strongly doubt they're getting into these big expectations so early in this process... that's simply not relevant to an elevator pitch when you're feeling out the level of general interest in interviewing at all, let alone the full details of the job itself.
     
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  2. Reccossu

    Reccossu Member+

    Jan 31, 2005
    Birmingham
    Turning into a cluster. Can’t say I’m surprised. Every AD and GM knows you have to keep a fresh list of where you’d go with your next hire. You have that list ready even if you think there’s no way Gregg loses to Panama at home. Can’t fire or lose a coach and only then start thinking about your list. Guess Crocker didn’t get that memo here.
     
  3. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas
    They’re not going to say anything or make any decisions public until after the women are finished in the Olympics. Maybe we’ll hear something next week.
     
  4. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
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    Manchester United FC
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    Ghana
    Sir this is the Waiting for Godot thread, I believe the US coach thread you seek might be elsewhere.
     
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  5. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    I'm not sure those pigs can think, though.
     
  6. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    It's not really turning into a cluster. Better to get it right than be in a rush.

    Who has England hired? Nobody. They've just named an interim manager (Lee Carsley).

    There are a bunch of international openings. Some of them better than the USMNT.

    If a month from now we name somebody great, nobody here is going to care about the delay.

    Last time they delayed for months and months and months and then re-hired Berhalter. So.........................
     
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  7. eagercolin

    eagercolin Member

    Metro
    United States
    Aug 25, 2017
    Buffalo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And also, we should want players to be "full of shit" -- at least a little bit -- when talking to the press. Players should answer questions from the press in a way that gives away nothing and puts forward only the desired narratives. A media interview isn't the time for soul-baring honesty.
     
  8. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Who do you have in mind here.
     
  9. eagercolin

    eagercolin Member

    Metro
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    Aug 25, 2017
    Buffalo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm just defending Adams from upthread claims that he's full of shit or not to be taken seriously based on the perceived conflict between supporting Berhalter and saying that the new coach needed to be tough on players.
     
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  10. FC Tallavana

    FC Tallavana Member+

    Jul 1, 2004
    La Quinta
    Players tend to like the managers that validate their own opinions of themselves. Dempsey recently said JK was his favorite manager to play for because of the trust he showed in him to lead the team. In other words, Dempsey could care less that the manager was an idiot for not taking Donovan in 14 because that showed Dempsey that JK believed he was more important than Donovan. Adams was treated better by Berhalter than any other player, at least with respect to his role vs his product over the years. It would not be surprising then that Adams has fond thoughts of him.
     
  11. largegarlic

    largegarlic Member+

    Jul 2, 2007
    Yeah, the case can be made for both sides. The September and October friendlies are about as low stakes as you get, so who cares if we have an interim coach for those if we end up with a good hire at the end of the process?

    On the other hand, we've been down this road before both times when Berhalter was hired. There were long delays, lots of game played under interim coaches, and then we ended up with an underwhelming hire at the end of the process. So, maybe the Fed shouldn't get much benefit of the doubt anymore.
     
  12. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
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    Manchester United FC
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    United States
    I don’t think Dempsey has ever said anything like that in terms of not taking Donovan. And when Klinsmann left him off a large number of players went to Gulati to try to get him to change the decision.

    The biggest thing about Dempsey is he didn’t care about the coach stuff. In the article about Klinsmann when Bradley and others went to him about getting Klinsmann fired he basically told them he doesn’t engage in that and he didn’t do it with Bob Bradley and he wasn’t going to do it with Klinsmann.

    It’s also the case with Klinsmann that multiple players from that era have said they got together and basically came up with the tactics themselves because they weren’t getting anything from the coach.
     
  13. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
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    Manchester United FC
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    United States
    I don’t think Carsley has been named interim manager but it’s the expectation. Mostly because England has the dream of hiring Pep Guardiola and he hasn’t decided what he wants to do in terms of his Man City future yet.
     
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  14. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
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    United States
    I think in the end you judge things on who the hire ends up being.

    The timing with how long it took Crocker to hire Hayes lines up with having someone in place for September.
     
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  15. FC Tallavana

    FC Tallavana Member+

    Jul 1, 2004
    La Quinta
    There's no logical explanation for Dempsey having JK as his favorite manager other than JK choosing him to be the alpha dog when he dumped Donovan.
     
  16. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
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    Manchester United FC
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    United States
    That’s very much not what he had to say when they had Donovan on the show. He very much did not revel in the fact that Donovan didn’t make the team.

    I don’t think I’ve ever even seen him say Klinsmann was his favorite manager.
     
  17. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    There are other, better MLS coaches if one wants to go that route.
     
  18. PhilipVU94

    PhilipVU94 Member

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Jul 6, 2024
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    United States
    Yup, exactly. Part of the reason I've been so meticulous about parsing Matarrazzo's public statement is to avoid this rush to judgment. If his "rejection" is based purely on one report of an offer made, that's weak tea. I don't think it's a reasonable inference that US Soccer is conducting the search poorly or that the job is particularly undesirable.

    I would agree some of our fans overrate a top-20 NT job relative to club jobs but that's nothing specific to the US or the conduct of this search.
     
  19. Ball Chucking Hack

    Jan 21, 2005
    Raleigh, NC
     
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  20. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
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    Manchester United FC
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    United States
    I don’t think it ever got to the offer stage with Matarazzo. And I don’t think his position at Hoffenheim is super secure still


    Paul Tenorio has been saying he’s one of a number of candidates they were engaging with. But from Matarazzo’s perspective once his name was out there unless there was an immediate offer he had to withdraw interest (if he had any). Which is what happens when you pursue a sitting coach.
     
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  21. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
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    Manchester United FC
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    United States
    And just as I post more from Tenorio here



    Matarazzo was definitely a candidate but I think more as part of the process versus close to an offer.
     
  22. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
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    Manchester United FC
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    United States
    The other news in that article is the current plan is for Varas to be the interim for September (but that it’s possible we hire someone before that).
     
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  23. largegarlic

    largegarlic Member+

    Jul 2, 2007
    I also saw on the thread here on the English coaching search that it's being reported that Pochettino and Tuchel are the only two foreign coaches being considered for England along with the English options of Howe, Potter, and Carsley, though it seems that Howe, like Matarazzo has recently re-affirmed his commitment to his club and bowed out of the running.

    So, the US and English searches might be somewhat intertwined if a couple guys are candidates for both, and that is part of the delay.
     
  24. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
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    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    England also seems to be holding out for Pep. Which is why they are naming an interim (as Pep still doesn’t know if he wants to continue at City or not).
     
  25. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I do wonder if a coach could make that declaration of being all in for their club and still take the offer if it materializes. Wasn't there a recent US coach proclaiming recently something and the very next day did what he said he wasn't going to? They shield the fallout for the job they have and if that changes the next day? Well that's now the job they have. Management is no different with their dreaded vote of confidence.
     

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