Next Coach 2.0 (2024-26)

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  1. yankthisyank'swank

    Oct 13, 2010
    What exactly sre you wanting to know?
     
  2. FC Tallavana

    FC Tallavana Member+

    Jul 1, 2004
    La Quinta
    Home teams are seeded and typically expect to get out of their groups without too much of a fuss. Managers should appreciate the opportunity to be in the knockout rounds of a World Cup. Anything being possible at that point and all.
     
  3. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agree, Mattarazzo has had no connection to national team and has been in Germany for some time. He is now on the Bundesliga coaching carousel and I think wise not to get off at this stage of his career.
     
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  4. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I haven't heard anyone say it, but I imagine it's pronounced like "Reno", as in "Reno, NV".
     
  5. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ...until he's suddenly announced, 3 games into the BL season.
     
  6. yankthisyank'swank

    Oct 13, 2010
    there’s a lot of nuance to this debate. If you want to argue about it, then you simply pick the evidence that supports your position, and ignore the rest. Or, you can be reasonable, and acknowledge that there are plenty of examples on both sides.

    For me, guys like Arteta have to be included. Arteta was a fantastic player, and he may become one of the best coaches.

    to flog you, I’ll take a shot, because what fun would it be without a little BS arguing?

    list of Ballers who became Baller coaches:

    1-pep
    2- Ancelotti
    3-Cruyff
    4-L. Enrique
    5-Zidane
    6-Simeone
    7-Inzaghi
    8-Mancini
    9-Capello
    10-Del Bosque
    11-Miguel Munoz
    12-Dalglish
    13-Dechamps
    14-Franz
    15-Zagallo
    16-Jupp H
    17-Arteta
    18-Alonso
    19-pochetino
    20-Da Goat RB—The Mayor of Hannover—Cherundolo

    This list could be much longer.
     
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  7. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If I bet on things like this, I'd be putting money down on Cherundolo after the MLS season with Varas as the interim until that occurs. Just don't see an alternative path at the present time.

    I'm still convinced that we could do a whole lot worse than Cherundolo, and I'll continue to stand behind that statement.
     
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  8. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    You might not know, but that starts with that some pretty decent Dutch player. Kroff or Kriff, something like that.
     
  9. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Not as much as they overrate Matarazzo who's accomplished exactly nothing.
     
  10. yankthisyank'swank

    Oct 13, 2010
    I want to see a list of ballers who “failed” as coaches.
     
  11. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1511 EruditeHobo, Aug 6, 2024
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    And evidently he's turning the job down! So it might be time to re-calibrate.
     
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  12. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It seems like USMNT Twitter is convinced it's purely because USSF is dysfunctional and/or refuses to give the coach enough control of the program.

    Everyone seems to be forgetting that national team jobs, in general, are not as attractive as club jobs. Brazil's current coach, hired fairly recently after a long search, is a guy who bounced around their domestic league for 20+ years with a mediocre record.
     
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  13. Kirium

    Kirium Member+

    Jun 18, 2007
    Edmond, OK
    You're such a bundle of joy!
     
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  14. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    He wasn't offered. Neither he was offered any other job except by he club that will promptly go to BL2 after one fluke year.
     
  15. PhilipVU94

    PhilipVU94 Member

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Jul 6, 2024
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When your prior is that everything is dysfunctional it's not hard to find dysfunction.

    I don't do Twitter these days but anything short of Crocker and Matarrazzo doing a joint press conference to announce that the latter wasn't the first choice for the job, with both standing in front of a giant banner saying "RINO WAS NOT OUR #1 CHOICE," would be evidence of dysfunction.
     
  16. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm feeling the same vibe--that Mikey Varas will be named interim (with a slim possibility of being named permanent coach through 2026). If that happens, then it seems quite plausible that Cherundolo could take over after the MLS season. However (!), I also don't think Mikey Varas being named interim (if that happens) would necessarily mean that Cherundolo (or Nancy, or another MLS coach that hasn't been at the forefront in these debates) would get the job. Crocker might want to wait and see who becomes available by the end of December.
     
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  17. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You don't know what he was offered or what he wasn't... but regardless, no one said he's been outright offered the job. That would be very surprising.

    Is there some reason to think the USSF hasn't reached out and/or isn't interested? And he's still at Hoffenheim right? Stating his dedication to their season? So unless something changes on all of those fronts, that's making my exact point. Just FYI.
     
  18. The Clientele

    The Clientele Member+

    Portland Timbers
    Jun 25, 2005
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not sure I want (or deserve) the flogging, but your point is well taken!
     
  19. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    There's a sizable gap between high-level B1 coach and Steve Cherundolo.
     
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  20. right wing

    right wing Member

    Apr 2, 2009
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Juergen Klinsmann says hello.
     
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  21. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah agreed, which I'd imagine is a big part of the reason why one of them would take the job and the other wouldn't.

    As I suggested at the beginning of this, kind of feels like some people think it's a good use of USSF's time to collect "no's" for the next 7 months in an effort to avoid someone who is "not good enough", aka Cherundolo. But maybe that's just my feelings.
     
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  22. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Who is that mystery person?
     
  23. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    No, there are simply other options between Cherundolo and Matarazzo. USSF doesn't have to drop all the way down to Cherundolo.
     
  24. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wonder if Matarazzo was interested and the US had him as a finalist but it got leaked before they were ready to negotiate a salary and finalize. Then he had to pretend he had no interest and withdraw unless he was willing to walk away from Hoffenheim right then without knowing he got the US gig. A big reason why leaks are bad for coaching searches unless the coach is currently unemployed. Could Hoffenheim have leaked it because they wanted to keep him?
     
  25. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Varas will be preparing for the U20 World Cup with that group. They'll be having camps and all of that.

    If we have an interim coach, I think it'll be Mitrovic.

    Worth noting that Renard is now available. He left after failing to get past the quarterfinal with the French women at the Olympics. [The #2 ranked team in the World.] His tenure there has been deemed a massive disappointment as he also failed to get them past the quarterfinal of the World Cup.

    I personally don't think we fired Berhalter to then hire an MLS coach...........with even less experience than Berhalter. Brian McBride agrees with me. But who knows?
    McBride: Cherundolo ‘too green’ to be USMNT head coach (usatoday.com)

    Its a weird one. When we look at the most successful national teams of late, they've hired from within. Spain and Argentina. Look at the resumes of their coaches. Those weren't uber-successful club coaches. Scaloni had only ever coached the Argentine U20s. He had less experience than Cherundolo. Its not like Southgate, who's done well getting England deep into tournaments, was successful as a club manager. Morocco's manager that took them to the semis had never coached in Europe. Had been a successful club manager in secondary leagues.

    The right formula seems difficult to figure out.

    You can hire an uber successful foreign coach like Mexico has with Tata Martino and Sven Goran Eriksson and have it not work out at all. You can be Italy and have uber successful domestic club coaches like Mancini and fail to even make the World Cup. Germany has had a run of disappointments with successful coaches. They haven't even made it out of the group stage at the world cup with Low in 2018 and Flick in 2022 as coach. Lost in the quarterfinals at the recent Euros under Nagelsmann. So...............

    I don't know how anybody can be certain of anything when it comes to these appointments. Sometimes there's such a fine line between success and failure and the international level that reputations can be enormously determined by luck. Some penalty shootout.

    We could hire Nancy and make the semi of the World Cup. Or it could be an unmitigated disaster. I don't know.
     
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