Next Coach 2.0 (2024-26)

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Eleven Bravo, Jul 12, 2024.

  1. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Messi had 47 goals and 12 assists that season. Sneijder by comparison had 8 goals and 15 assists. The award went to the right player.
     
  2. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That second year with Stuttgart I believe they also had a major injury crisis.
     
  3. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Man City player who deserved it that season was Haaland.
     
  4. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    I would be open to Pelligrini but why would he leave for the USA job?
     
  5. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    No it's Sneijder but I am at work and autocorrect does it's thing. Apologies to the Dutch.
     
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  6. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    He finished the passes made by KdB.
     
  7. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    Sneijder team went through Messi team to win the UCL. The short list was Messi, Xavi and Ineista. So club form mattered except for Wes and international form mattered but didn't apply to Messi.

    To not make shortlist when everyone could see he was the man on that team. It is popularity contest. Actual performance is secondary. Might as well go by shirt sales then give out the award
     
  8. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He had 52 goals last season. Those weren’t all assists from KDB.
     
  9. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I mean Messi was just the better player. If we’re supposed to give it to the best player in the world there’s no argument for it being given to anyone but Messi that year. We’re talking about Messi at the peak of his powers. It’s not about shirt sales, it’s about who actually had a better performance that year and there’s zero question it was Messi.

    And that Inter win over Barcelona was a fluke that came after Barcelona had to take a 14 hour bus ride to Milan because of volcanic ash.
     
  10. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    So Italian Treble and World Cup runner-up that loses to also rans. That is the thing, if Messi has a season like Sneijder he wins, if he doesn't he wins. What is the point of it all then? Because if a really good player has a great season, better than he best in the world and told well we are voting for the reputation of the other guys then it is clear, it is not about the season you had.
     
  11. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    KDB had 10 goals and 28 assists. I can't find a count for hockey assists that season but surely being the playmaker on a team that wins the treble should count.
     
  12. keller4president

    Jan 5, 2006
    If Matarazzo gets hired, will he give more chances to Pefok and John Brooks? We'll see.
     
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  13. tomásbernal

    tomásbernal Member+

    Sep 4, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can't find any info on Hjulmand renewing his contract--except for in 2023. He stepped down and canceled the last year of his contract 2 weeks ago. At least, that's all the info the internet will tell me.
     
  14. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  15. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1440 EruditeHobo, Aug 5, 2024
    Last edited: Aug 5, 2024
    Your argument might hold more weight if the winner didn't have like triple the direct production of the guy you're suggesting was really hard done by... seems straightforward as to why that might be compelling to the people deciding these awards, no?
     
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  16. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    So the best player on the best team means nothing. Because when Messi gets out produced by Lewy Goal, we hear but Messi was the best player that year look at his work With Argentina.
     
  17. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Hopefully he won't get hired.
     
  18. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Spain U23 v France U23 in the Olympics final. Henry has at least a silver.
     
  19. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ghana
    Spain on the verge of winning WWC, Euro and Olympics? That would be a hell of a run.
     
  20. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the Ballon D’Or should go to the player who’s been the best in the world that year. For many years since Messi and Ronaldo came onto to the scene it was almost always one of them.

    But there were years that we overrated things like what happened at the World Cup versus the year as a whole. I’ve already said last year should have been Haaland in my opinion. And in 2020 it went to Messi when it should have gone Lewandoski. 2020 was more off reputation versus Messi being the best and 2022 was really based on winning the World Cup.

    But in 2010 Messi was the best player in the world and it wasn’t really close.

    This year I would probably give it to Rodri and I think it’ll be either him or Vinicius Jr.
     
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  21. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ..."best player" on the "best team"? According to who, exactly?

    I think we're rounding around to the point... which is that it's obviously quite subjective. But the way you're talking about this, it's like you're for some reason upset the guy who has 60 goals + assists might win the "best player" award? That's just silly, and obtuse.

    I don't even care about Messi, I find the fawning over him sycophantic. But this just isn't some knockdown obvious case for Sneijder here -- NED didn't win the WC, and wasn't he like 5th in his club side in G+A on the season?
     
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  22. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas
    We’re gonna hire Thierry Henry aren’t we? Buncha dipshits.
     
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  23. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Charlie Davies seems to prefer him to Matarrazo (which is wrong).

     
  24. yankthisyank'swank

    Oct 13, 2010
    No, but he’ll settle the debate over who should have won the BdO a decade ago
     
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  25. yankthisyank'swank

    Oct 13, 2010
    Henry has a lot to offer in this short window. Is it more than MP? Maybe not. I gotta agree with Charlie on the “it” factor with our best players though. Henry has more swag than MP
     
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