Next Coach 2.0 (2024-26)

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  1. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas
    Guys nobody calls him Chero
     
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  2. keller4president

    Jan 5, 2006
    #77 keller4president, Jul 12, 2024
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    Dolo is the correct nickname.
     
  3. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Cherub, perhaps?
     
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  4. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Whatever helps my carpals.
     
  5. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    I wish they would re-hire the search firm so we could pretend for a few months that our federation cares about winning and not just giving the coaching job to the next pal in line.
     
  6. Marius Tresor

    Marius Tresor Member+

    Aug 1, 2014
    Laurent Blanc had his players have a locker room meltdown in 2012, leading to his dismissal as coach of France. Probably not a good option.
     
  7. keller4president

    Jan 5, 2006
    True, but I wouldn't rule him out just for that. The France locker room is notoriously difficult to manage, lots of big egos, the players revolted against Domenech at 2010 World Cup.

    Apparently France wanted to keep Blanc after 2012 Euros (loss to Spain in quarters), but Blanc decided to step down. Maybe he just preferred club coaching at the time.

    https://www.france24.com/en/20120630-france-coach-laurent-blanc-leave-post-bleus-football-euro-2012

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/jun/20/euro-2012-france-dispute
     
  8. ChambersWI

    ChambersWI Member+

    Nov 10, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Blanc just signed a deal to go to the Saudi club that just sacked Marcelo Galardo.

    Name that seems to be semi picking up steam (when you ignore all the Dolo discourse) is Matias Almeyda
     
  9. Marius Tresor

    Marius Tresor Member+

    Aug 1, 2014
    No. There was a lot more to it than that. Allegations of favoritism/exclusion of players, etc. Too toxic for France. Deschamps has done a much better job of selecting the best players and managing egos. Blanc should not be in the conversation.
     
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  10. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Also, racism. Cleared of that allegation but cleared in France. Know what I mean?
     
  11. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Good tournament coach. Players LOVE him. Decently progressive on the offense.

    His man marking defense is a disaster against competent teams with more talent and I don't think it is super suited for a US team somewhat lacking in defensive tactical instincts.

    It also took about 3 months of straight practice for San Jose to pick it up, worked for about two months and then fell apart. Now San Jose lacks talent, but man marking is a system generally at its best when you have the more athletic, better team.

    I'd be pretty surprised to see him over Cherundolo and I think it would be a mistake. I don't know the wisdom of hiring a guy like that on a two year timeline with two real camps (including the WC camp) and then watching him go.
     
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  12. Marius Tresor

    Marius Tresor Member+

    Aug 1, 2014
    Well, I didn’t want to go there, which is why I used “favoritism/exclusion of players.” But yeah, you just need to look at France’s lineups before and after Blanc, compared to his France lineups, and decide whether that was a coincidence or not.
     
  13. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Translation: He overthought himself in the position. And while that can be a good thing as a coach in MLS, it’s not what you want in the international game. And you cannot shove the square peg into the round hole.
     
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  14. JohhnyCaps

    JohhnyCaps Member

    Jul 20, 2007
    NY
    Club:
    Sunderland AFC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's not you, it's son of swampthing.
     
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  15. Reccossu

    Reccossu Member+

    Jan 31, 2005
    Birmingham
    I'm cool on Renard. Rather have more of a hungry up-and-comer.
     
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  16. JohhnyCaps

    JohhnyCaps Member

    Jul 20, 2007
    NY
    Club:
    Sunderland AFC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Chero:

    [​IMG]
     
  17. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Thanks, but the resemblance is uncanny.
     
  18. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Mancini got beat by Klinsmann's Zombie South Korea.
     
  19. JohhnyCaps

    JohhnyCaps Member

    Jul 20, 2007
    NY
    Club:
    Sunderland AFC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I could warm to this... just guessing it's a pipedream tho... and that we're in the pre-coronation phase for Dolo (based on the USSF hiring workflow diagram posted prior.)
     
  20. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Like Galarado, Almeyda is a Bielsa protégé and won a lot while leading Chivas. Almeyda's scheme could work well with the USMNT talent but I don't believe that he would be preferred to Dolo.
     
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  21. PhilipVU94

    PhilipVU94 Member

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Jul 6, 2024
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fair points. I'm still pretty pro-Renard but any available intl coach is going to have some flaws and we should discuss his.

    Is there a coach with a better international track record, relative to the talent level he was working with, that
    1. matches the high water mark of "upset Argentina with Saudi" or "win AFCON with Zambia" (i.e. equally impressive)
    2. exceeds Renard in consistency, e.g. by following up their high water mark with other good performances
    3. has a varied CV of success with different programs that looks equal to Renard's but doesn't need to include successes from 12 years ago?
    I can't imagine this exists, aside from maybe Scaloni, Deschamps, etc. who both aren't coming and have never worked with sub-top-5 talent. If it doesn't exist, then you're really just saying you want a club coach. Nothing wrong with that, but I don't share your faith in club-to-NT transitions.



    In descending order of how much each worry concerns me.

    WC group minus Argentina
    Pick a coach you're already favorably disposed toward. Pretend he's coaching Saudi Arabia in a three-team group with two games versus Poland and Mexico (2 advance) and loses both. Certainly not good. Is that a deal breaker?

    At the end of the day you often end up choosing between consistency with a lower ceiling or wild swings with a high ceiling. Given that the US should have much better talent than Saudi Arabia 2022, and the tournament is dilulted to 48 teams, I'm less worried we'll completely crash out of the group more interested in a high ceiling to give us a puncher's chance of going deep.

    But yeah, of course we'd rather have someone who took his team, which was in the Elo 60s when he started, to the knockouts rather than one huge win and two losses. Do you have names who have done that?

    Gulf Cup
    Might be problematic or not. I really have no idea how seriously they take that. It was a few weeks after Qatar and they finished behind non-WC teams Iraq and Oman. No clue about lineups but I might check.

    Friendlies
    are by definition not something that should matters. Maybe if you know the precise context, lineups, motivation level of each team, etc. and can vouch that each team treated it like a WC final....
     
  22. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas


    Beej was the shit tho
     
  23. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah I liked Galardo back in 2022 as well before G was rehired.
     
  24. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    These kind of tweets must be made from teenagers with zero perspective.

    That argument could be made for any hire. Dudes saying no to candidate X also said no to BJ so….

    Means nothing.
     
  25. Boysinblue

    Boysinblue Member

    Jul 31, 2011
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Herve did not coach Saudi in the Gulf Cup, it was their U-23 coach and the roster consisted of players with low # of caps and U-23 players.
     
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