Yeah, that's how I feel. Vieira seems similar stylistically to Berhalter but would at least bring a different set of eyes to the player pool as well as massive accomplishments as a player, which might help give him cred with our players. But there doesn't seem to be huge upside with him, whereas Cherundolo is a bit more of a wildcard who might still be on an upward trajectory as a coach.
He tried to negotiate a contract with one foot already out the door. What happens when 9 months before the World Cup, he bolts? He's not good enough to introduce that risk. And if you remove his playing career, none of us are having this discussion. Pass. We can do better.
Basically wanted to be more ambitious from the sound of things. Viera is an odd one as @gogorath said a lot of the complaints about him tactically are ones that have been levied against Berhalter. But he did have Palace looking really good his first year... and despite the struggles in year 2, he was fired more because of the attitude he took with the front office rather than the results. Can't comment on Strasbourg as didn't watch. Team finished higher up the table when he got there but legit didn't watch a game
I don't know. I do think the MLS experience is probably relevant in the sense that he did well there, knows something about how soccer in this country works, and is presumably ok living here. I agree that if he's some random European coach with a couple meh stints in Ligue 1 and a failed stint in the EPL, he doesn't get brought up, but I think the MLS connection in addition to the Euro club experience is what gets his name in the mix.
Thanks. For what it's worth, I was just reading his Wikipedia page, and it says that Strasbourg focused on bringing in a lot of young guys in the transfer window last summer as their main additions to the team, but the fans and Vieira didn't really think the young guys were up to carrying the load, so the team under performed a bit.
i dont see the appeal of viera at all. hes a name that has shown no ability to manage whatsoever. who the hell cares if he did it here for a while? you think he wanted that, or that america has any special place in his heart? do you think austria fans give two shits about marsch? and he wrecked their league on his pre-planned ladder-climb.
That site is interesting in that they seem to have pulled together a bunch of ex-USMNT players' opinions. Twellman likes Vieira. Lalas likes Southgate (even given Alexi's reveling in every England loss?). McBride doesn't think Cherundolo is ready.
As an Arsenal fan I loved Vieira as a player, an all-time favorite. But he's been mostly OK as a coach. He's bounced around quite a bit with a mixed bag of results. I don't necessarily consider him a poor manager, but he's pretty far from having a proven record of success. He has worked at high levels and usually improved the teams he's worked with at least somewhat and he knows a bit about the landscape of American soccer so not the worst choice out there, but his track record is less than sparkling, hard to really know what we'd get.
Let’s take Patrick Vieira for example: Why would he be the right choice for USMNT? No international managing experience, no proven track record of consistently winning / improving young players. His only semi-successful stint as a manger was at NYCFC. NYCFC: After he left,…— Stu Holden (@stuholden) July 18, 2024
The thing I notice about Vieira just off his record: a) he's coached roughly 5 years in the top 5 leagues, a level of experience which I noted earlier in this thread is actually pretty rare for an international manager not coaching an elite nation (a lot rarer than people seem to realize); b) he's coached 3 separate sides in the top 5 leagues, and in all 3 cases those clubs finished slightly higher in the table than they had in the season before he joined. (He took over an 8th place Nice team and led them to 7th and 5th place finishes in Ligue 1; a 14th place Crystal Palace and led them to a 12th place finish; and a 15th place Strassbourg and led them to a 13th place finish.) If you count his MLS experience, he also took an NYCFC side that had finished 17th out of 20 teams, and led them to 4th and 2nd place finishes in the overall standings. Now I don't know the circumstances of all those club coaching stints, but at that level, I think it takes at least a minimally competent manager (at or above the level of our top MLS-based options) to take a midtable side and keep them midtable, with even some modest improvements. We've seen how difficult that is for other top MLS managers (like Bob Bradley and Jesse Marsch) that have tried to do the same. If we're narrowing our search even further to managers who have a track record of massive improvements with the clubs they managed, or who have managed much better clubs than midtable Ligue 1 and EPL sides, I'm not sure there are many realistic options out there that are going to satisfy the fanbase.
I think also if we strike out on the bigger name options he’s perfectly acceptable and probably preferable to Southgate. But at least personally I’d rank Nancy and Cherundolo ahead of him.
That's fair, and I'd add that I agree with other posters that Vieira isn't an attractive option if he's not committed to this job. If he's got one foot out the door the entire time or if his salary demands are exorbitant, then his resume isn't impressive enough to justify any of that. But I don't know if there's been any reliable reporting on that so far -- all I've seen are rumors and speculation.
I guess I'd want to start w/ a list of what people think are actual candidates here, versus names that just get mentioned b/c they make sense. Southgate, and Cherundolo seem clear. Porchettino was connected by one report. I don't know how serious that is. Vieira was considered last time, so I guess it stands to reason that he would again. I'm sure there are others, but I don't know off the top of my head as to which are just speculation and which actually are thought to be more serious contenders for the job. Renard's name has been bounced around, but I haven't seen anyone report that he's really being considered. Has a reporter connected Potter to the job? On the other hand, Hayes wasn't on the list of people expected for the women's job, so it's possible that the name is not one that's in the news.
Not taking into account that many on this list may not be interested 1) Pochettino 2) Potter 3) Frank 4) De La Fuente 5) Gallardo 6) Matarazzo 7) Pioli 8) Low 9) Tuchel 10) Nancy 11) Cherundolo 12) Vieira 13) Pekerman 14) Wagner 15) Moyes 16) Southgate 17) Terzic 18) Benetiz 19) Henry 20) Renard
Yeah that’s definitely a concern but also the sort of thing you’d want to talk about in the interview process and feel good about those discussions about overall commitment go.
They gotta work on their headlines. The only thing Taylor Twellman did in the senior shirt was set a rather ignominious streak for consecutive matches played to start your international career at striker w/o scoring a goal. Stardom was not a thing for the man (though I loved him as a prospect 23 or 24 years ago. Twellman's analysis on Eisen seemed to be: Go International and Go for a big name. Pretty damn lazy analysis.
I mean, Vieira did finish 2nd and 4th in the MLS Eastern Conference standings. The difference between him and Nancy is the vagaries of the playoff system. Nancy and Columbus finished 3rd last season in the East (and are currently sitting in 3rd). Its not like they're blowing away the field. [ Last year Columbus scraped by Orlando in extra time in the conference semi and scraped by Cincinnati in extra time in the conference final. Either contest could have gone the other way] Not that I don't like Nancy. There are people like Twellman who believe that some Euro we've heard of walks into a room and "commands respect." Who needs an analysis of tactical acumen or managerial capability? Its just important that some European walks in there swinging some trophy from 20 years ago. The country bumpkin American players will be in awe of his mere presence. Is Vieira a better coach than Nancy or Cherundolo or anybody else in MLS? Hell if I know. But I also think he did a'ight as an MLS coach. Its not easy to coach NYCFC in that disaster of a stadium.
Vieira strikes me as the red herring, the kind of name you would leak to get people talking to fend off fans and reporters, so you could move forward with the candidates you're really pursuing. Sounds like a high-variance possibly high-ceiling option though, so take my intuition with a grain of salt.
“According to information from Michele Giannone, the French world champion and former Arsenal player, Patrick Vieira ended his relationship as a Strasbourg manager and is in negotiations with US Soccer to be the new coach of the United States national team.” https://t.co/VsEp6OW6OX— Daniel (@DanielSmith1022) July 18, 2024